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Old 09-24-2007, 07:57 AM #22
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Weak move. Should have played the one for one.. if not for yourselves. .for the fans that came out to watch games all weekend long to see a winner in the pro division.

And the more i thnk about it.. probablly an even worse move on the NPPL's part for letting it go down like that. Kind of disspaointing .. but what are ya' going to do.. S happens.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:32 AM #23
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Great post Ollie and thanks for clearing things up. I was there and the fans are crazy...I will admit I was mad at first cause I set there so long to find out you guys weren't playing the 1 on 1 but after I started thinking about the decision of the tie, I totally agree with why you did it...Shoot. Kill. Win.


PS By the way never play video games with Ollie he's a screen looker ....(refer to the game where Ollie watched the jumbo-tron and shot out 3 guys by knowing exactly where they are )
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:43 AM #24
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12.56. Any team that intentionally gives up points to its opponent will be disqualified from the tournament and all members of the team playing at the time of the infraction shall be suspended for life from playing in any sanctioned NPPL event.


12.57. Any team that plots with opponents to set scores will be disqualified from the tournament and all members of the team playing at the time of the infraction shall be suspended for life from playing in any sanctioned NPPL event.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:45 AM #25
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So then you are saying the NPPL is a side show to the PSP?

Everyone is there just to practice before xball and everyone who competes is a winner?
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:49 AM #26
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I suppose thanks are in order for clearing that whole ordeal up. Thanks. Now that we all know what really happened, a couple questions for you.

You were in disagreement with the refs prior to game 3. I watched the entire webcast on it, only thing I wish there could have been was audio. But, emotion wise you could see you were visibly upset about what was transpiring. A lot of us saw you sign that score sheet in disgust then slam the pen onto it afterwards, and then you continued to argue the calls in question.

My question to you Oliver, is why would you fight so hard to have that 3rd game, only to be so soft about going on in 1 on 1's? You seemed so intent on having that 3rd game and you knew that if you won that it would go onto 1 on 1's. Why would you then only decide to share first place if you knew thats where it was going to go, why not just allow the penalties to be accessed and give impact the win if they are such a stand up team, and you respect them? Why just say "hey, these guys are stand up, they are tired, its been an emotional roller coaster this weekend.. lets just hold hands and share it?"

It seems almost hypocritical that you say that Impact is a great team (which I am sure they are, I don't know any of them, but I don't doubt their merit and what you say about them) and that you respect them and all that, then share first place with them because they had an emotional day. This is Impact's first season as a pro team, and if they think that just this weekend was emotional, just wait until their career progresses. Its not going to get any better as far as emotions go. There will be those ups and downs, and there will be those emotionally draining games and days. There wont however, always be another team to say "lets share first place"

I personally think it was a bad move on both teams parts, but hey, I am just a spectator/fan in this instance.. what does it matter what I say/think?
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:05 AM #27
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Mans got a point......I liked to see this ? answered
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12.56. Any team that intentionally gives up points to its opponent will be disqualified from the tournament and all members of the team playing at the time of the infraction shall be suspended for life from playing in any sanctioned NPPL event.


12.57. Any team that plots with opponents to set scores will be disqualified from the tournament and all members of the team playing at the time of the infraction shall be suspended for life from playing in any sanctioned NPPL event.
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:22 AM #28
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and yes i agree, this makes paintball in the pro division a laughing stock.
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:26 AM #29
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12.56. Any team that intentionally gives up points to its opponent will be disqualified from the tournament and all members of the team playing at the time of the infraction shall be suspended for life from playing in any sanctioned NPPL event.


12.57. Any team that plots with opponents to set scores will be disqualified from the tournament and all members of the team playing at the time of the infraction shall be suspended for life from playing in any sanctioned NPPL event.
12.56 <- IF they follow this rule this means Impact is banned from the NPPL, because they are the ones who gave up points.

12.57 <- Means Impact is Banned again.

Neither of these would go against the Ironmen. They (Impact) came to the Ironmen , according to Ollie, and asked for a draw...which also breaks the second rule posted about setting scores....
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12.56. Any team that intentionally gives up points to its opponent will be disqualified from the tournament and all members of the team playing at the time of the infraction shall be suspended for life from playing in any sanctioned NPPL event.


12.57. Any team that plots with opponents to set scores will be disqualified from the tournament and all members of the team playing at the time of the infraction shall be suspended for life from playing in any sanctioned NPPL event.

Also where in the rulebook does it state that teams can share first place money and especially seed points?
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:29 AM #31
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I don't mind how you two teams feel about the whole thing but I look at this from a promoters standpoint. You two teams played your hearts out last night. I was there to see the emotion flowing through the arena. A GREAT finals. You guys were in a best of 3 one on one, IN THE FINALS!! This is what everyone watching the finals was hoping to see. I honestly think, you took this game away from the fans...

If I was Shawn Walker I would have simply said, All these people paid ME to come and watch you "pros" put on a show. I'm paying YOU to put on a show and dammit that is what you'll do. Period. You may not like it, but this must no happen if paintball is ever going to be big. The FANS must be your focal point in order to blow this thing up. I am dissapointed. How could you run through the crowd and get everyone pumped up saying "play the game, play the game" and then agree to share first place....?

No other sport would leave their fans hanging like this.
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That was a joke. You don't see NHL teams sharing the Stanely Cup. This is why paintball can't go mainstream. I don't care how tired the players are, your pro's and its your job and life to play.
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12.56 <- IF they follow this rule this means Impact is banned from the NPPL, because they are the ones who gave up points.

12.57 <- Means Impact is Banned again.

Neither of these would go against the Ironmen. They (Impact) came to the Ironmen , according to Ollie, and asked for a draw...which also breaks the second rule posted about setting scores....
BUT, the ironmen went along with it, making them just as at fault.

don't get me wrong, I like the ironmen, but until the rulebook is enforced we might as well be back to playing in farmers fields

game fixxing used to be big in the early 90s thats why the rules are there
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Great post Ollie and thanks for clearing things up. I was there and the fans are crazy...I will admit I was mad at first cause I set there so long to find out you guys weren't playing the 1 on 1 but after I started thinking about the decision of the tie, I totally agree with why you did it...Cut. Deals. Tie.

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12.56. Any team that intentionally gives up points to its opponent will be disqualified from the tournament and all members of the team playing at the time of the infraction shall be suspended for life from playing in any sanctioned NPPL event.


12.57. Any team that plots with opponents to set scores will be disqualified from the tournament and all members of the team playing at the time of the infraction shall be suspended for life from playing in any sanctioned NPPL event.

My interpretation of 12.56 would be that a team would intentionally lose a game in order for another team to benefit and gain points. Thats not the case here, since both teams played, and played hard from what I saw. Ironmen did not lose a game on purpose and neither did Impact.

12.57 I think is along the same lines.

For example. Impact comes to Ironmen and says "hey, we really want to win this event. we'll give you X of our winnings if you drop the game" or if they approach any other team and ask them to alter the state of their game in a way that would benefit Impact.

I don't think either occurred here, so I don't think its truly applicable.

I think the one rule that is truly applicable is rule 18.

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(3) For any game in which a team refuses to take the field.

(4) In the event that both teams fail to show for a game or are unwilling to take the field, both teams will have forfeited the game.
So.

If we played by the NPPL rulebook, which clearly this was not, this would cause a forfeiture on both teams parts. At this point, being a finals game, I am unsure how points would be accessed and how other teams would place. One would think that this would move the Hurricanes to first place and Image to second, but that is probably not the case.
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Oliver, respect, and congratulations for the great playing this weekend.

I too, would have rather seen you guys fight it out until the end, but I can understand why both teams chose this instead.

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I understand the reasoning that went through ur mind, but it's such a weak move...because they were beat down/tired and respected the other teams good sportsmanship @ practice?

blood, sweat n tears?...don't see where that term should apply...guess u guys work harder @ practice than @ the event you practice for...should we pay to see u guys practice rather than play in a finals game?
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...Shoot. Kill. Win.
I believe you mean Shoot. Kill. Tie.
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BUT, the ironmen went along with it, making them just as at fault.

don't get me wrong, I like the ironmen, but until the rulebook is enforced we might as well be back to playing in farmers fields

game fixxing used to be big in the early 90s thats why the rules are there

I agree that it was kinda lame on both parties but hey it's over now and we can't really fix anything. And I also agree that rules should not be bent or broken just to make everyone happy (sounds like the Matrix)...


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That made me chuckle...
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This is shenanagons.. No offense Ollie but you are the man making the BIG bucks to do what most of us have to pay for. For that reason alone I would think you would have used the proffesional attitude and made your sponsors happy by being the leader they have paid you to be and go out there and shoot the face off anyone they stand in front of you reguardless of who you practiced with or hangout with ect... This is a sport not a friendship someone must win and soemone must loose. To make up new rules to make the last two teams of this event happy is ludacris. Can you imagins the world series of poker.. Well you have half the chips so lets just split the winnings of first and second and cut the braclet in half? Would never happen and honestly I dont think this split would have even been considered if it wasnt your team on the other side to agree to it. I know you have done great things for paintball and as a baller I appreciate it but I also have my opinion and what happened in my opinion realy set the NPPL back a few steps....... No other championship would be allowed to be split. Can you imagine half a super bowl winner or the two teams that tied in the world series of baseball. Sorry but it just isnt supposed to happen. There should be a clause in the rules that ties will never happen and that they will be played out until a winner is decided.
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I personally think it was a bad move on both teams parts, but hey, I am just a spectator/fan in this instance.. what does it matter what I say/think?
Well, without the fans, what does the nppl/ironmen/oliver have? It seems there are a whole lot of fans who agree with you, myself included.
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