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Old 08-25-2007, 01:46 PM #1
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Pneu-trigger'd Cocker

Hey,

So a while back I bought all the parts for turning my mech cocker into a ball-slingin pneumatic trigger'd cocker. I think I'm finally going to get off my lazy *** and get to work on it, but first I wanted to see what you guys thought of my rough design for it. By the way, I'm using a WGP Hinge frame.

Parts used for the pneu-trigger setup:
Fabco MSV
Clippard SMAV (I think) w/ a clippard QEV
A spare cocker LPR

Basically what I figure this involves is:
1) Disconnecting the trigger and the sear (done, shaved the back of the trigger off)
2) Drill a hole to house the SMAV so that it can activate the sear
3) Find a way to mount the MSV (any ideas for doing this?)
4) Mount the LPR (piece of cake, just going to use a 90* fitting on my ASA and run the hose up through a hole in my frame)
5) Figure out a way to activate the MSV with the trigger
6) Move all the hoses out of the way
7) Tune it, then tune it some more.

I'll post some pics up of the sketch I did.
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Old 08-25-2007, 02:07 PM #2
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i believe you mean "Clippard MPA-3 Actuator" instead of the Clippard SMAV.

the SMAV-3 is a 3-way valve (like the Fabco MSV).

i would just mount the MSV with set screws through the side of the frame.
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Theeeere ya go. Yea it's the MPA-3.

I'm not sure set screws would work, because my MSV has the big lever on it, so there's not a place to put a set screw on that side. I'm thinking I may just take the lever off though, because just having set screws to hold it would make this job ALOT easier.
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Old 08-25-2007, 08:02 PM #4
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Had a better idea for mounting the MSV... I'm cutting some pieces right now to see if it will work.
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An alternative approach is to simply trim the trigger down so it does NOT touch the sear.

Then swap the hoses to the ram

Then install a homemade autotrigger that connects the ram rod to the sear, so that the sear is tripped automatically with the bolt it closed. This is usually done with a small metal wire bend through the unused safety hole.

Fully pneumatic autococker in about 30 minutes. No parts to buy.

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I'm trying to picture what you're talking about... but I'm just not getting it.

If you've got time, could you possibly draw me up a diagram or something?

What do you think about my idea though, because I've already got the parts to do it. Basically, do you think it's better doing it one way or the other?
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your design would work except that you will still have the full pull to activate your 3way so you want to do this to just make the pull lighter? I like nicks idea more, if the autotrigger idea is screwing with you look in the pump forum and i believe its the ccm cockers that have the autotrigger feature maybe there is a good diagram or something in there.
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I thought about the 3way thing, and my plan was to just buy the 3 way with the shortest stroke and OP possible.

I have no idea how long or heavy a 3 way's stroke is though.

Thanks for the info about ccm cockers, I'll go check it out.
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wasn't it the centerflag autococker frames that had a single pancake solenoid activate both the sear and the 3-way? If you could find out exactly how those worked you could probably get some good ideas from those.
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Yea... that frame is interesting. I don't think I can apply anything from that frame to the one I'm building, simply because it's pretty complicated and would require a ton of work.

http://www.geocities.com/smasher4120/setup.html

Great site for learning about the uprising frame.
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Ok, so here's my idea drawn up on paper.



I've thought about it alot, and I really don't see any problems with it.

Oh by the way, go ahead and ignore my dog's blood on the paper. Let's just say it makes me really upset when she doesn't do what I say.
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Oh by the way, go ahead and ignore my dog's blood on the paper. Let's just say it makes me really upset when she doesn't do what I say.
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copy much?

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2337060
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wait didn't i see those designs 2 days ago when muddytaco came up with them....weird
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Yep old saw them a few days ago and he was talkin about it on here for about a week or two.
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That's cool, since I bought all the parts for this and drew up diagrams well over half a year ago.

Like I said, I'm just now getting off my lazy *** and doing something about it. Trust me, I've had this idea brewing in my mind for quite some time and I came up with it all on my own.
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Wow... that is pretty damn coincidental though. We're using the same frame and everything.
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Oh, and here's some proof that I was thinking about this a good while ago:

Thread #1: First idea, obviously it's changed a lot since then
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1601718

And here is the other threads (like I said, they're from around 6 months ago) where I started focusing on pneumatic-trigger'd cockers.
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2044276
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2020196
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2044224
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Oh, and here's some proof that I was thinking about this a good while ago:

Thread #1: First idea, obviously it's changed a lot since then
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1601718

And here is the other threads (like I said, they're from around 6 months ago) where I started focusing on pneumatic-trigger'd cockers.
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2044276
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2020196
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2044224


I see, I just thought it was alittle to spot on to what i posted 3-4 days ago, same frame, layout and everything.....and you called mpa-3 a smav which is not even the same kind of part, that could be a honest mistake but it just sounds strange to me i guess since you said you already have the parts.

You have shown me enough to believe you have put some thought into it before and are not just flat out copying somebody else's design, i'll shut up now.
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Oh for sure, it's ****ing weird that they're that close to the same thing.

And yea I forgot what the mpa-3 was because I bought it like 6 months ago haha. But don't shut up, give me some input once I get some more **** done
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