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Old 08-20-2007, 09:03 AM #22
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Never used V2, never had trouble with the first one. What was wrong with the 1st one? It was one of the best lubes I've used in ages. My only complaint was the odd smell. But i prefer Superlube oil for Freestyles, Egos, Ions, and DM's. Used Hater sauce on everything else.



Hater sauce V1 (pink in color) is not dow 33. It is their own formula, nothing like it. It doesn't even contain a bit of dow corning (dow 33/55). The Hater sauce v2 (green in color) is the same formula revised to make thinner and slicker (which probably was a bad idea for non-spool markers). Different color, and more 'spool friendly' so it isn't so thick and causes problems for the bolt to move back and forward. I've mentioned this dozens of times.

I also used to think Hater sauce was just a mixture of Dow 33 with some oils to make it thinner. But i was proved wrong, and was painfully embarrassed when the owner of Hater himself posted, and proved its contents with thorough explanation of the R&D process.

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I was talking about the dye lube
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Old 08-20-2007, 02:33 PM #23
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I was talking about the dye lube
oops, lol. i skipped over some posts, and i just read the first part of mfm's post regarding hater sauce which made me assume thats what you were talking about.
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Old 08-21-2007, 03:28 AM #24
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I put my threshy in the freezer for an hour. Took it out, and shot it over the crono. No change in velocity. Then put it back in the freezer for another hour, took it out. put it on full auto 25bps and it shot with no problem. It was freezing cold!!! It hurt to hold it. And thats just using dow shocker lube. I don't think extreme temps will effect this gun too much due to it's simplicity..
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Old 08-21-2007, 03:29 AM #25
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Old 08-21-2007, 11:06 AM #27
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why not? I use dye slick on every gun I have and it works fine
The New Dye lube is fine, it's basically Dye's version of Dow 33. The older Dye lubes were much thicker, and so didn't work very well.
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Old 08-21-2007, 08:44 PM #28
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I put my threshy in the freezer for an hour. Took it out, and shot it over the crono. No change in velocity. Then put it back in the freezer for another hour, took it out. put it on full auto 25bps and it shot with no problem. It was freezing cold!!! It hurt to hold it. And thats just using dow shocker lube. I don't think extreme temps will effect this gun too much due to it's simplicity..
i think dp rubbed off on you lol

they told me they shot the threshold in all different positions, upsidown, to the right, left, back wards, inside out, ect ect ect.

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Old 10-07-2007, 07:47 PM #29
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I feel like I'm seeing different versions of bolts in different pics. Some include a front o-ring, others don't have this. Some have a rear o-ring and others don't (but from what I understand the rear oring is a custom mod to increase efficiency), and sometimes it's just the single or double o-ring in the center.

I have ordered my threshold and it's coming sometime in the next week as my distributor is only just receiving them. Are there truly different versions of the bolt's design floating around? What are the primary performance differences between these different setups (if in fact there are differences)?

Given my threshold is just coming in, what design would you expect mine to come with if in fact there are different versions?

Anyhow would someone please clarify this? (sorry if this is a common question but I haven't been able to track any thread down about it)
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Old 10-08-2007, 12:49 PM #30
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I feel like I'm seeing different versions of bolts in different pics. Some include a front o-ring, others don't have this. Some have a rear o-ring and others don't (but from what I understand the rear oring is a custom mod to increase efficiency), and sometimes it's just the single or double o-ring in the center.

I have ordered my threshold and it's coming sometime in the next week as my distributor is only just receiving them. Are there truly different versions of the bolt's design floating around? What are the primary performance differences between these different setups (if in fact there are differences)?

Given my threshold is just coming in, what design would you expect mine to come with if in fact there are different versions?

Anyhow would someone please clarify this? (sorry if this is a common question but I haven't been able to track any thread down about it)
my guess is that dp has tweaked the design a bit differently to get around patents..

for example every marker needs an effective way to seal the breach during firing, some people put an o-ring(or two *patented by eclipse) on the very tip of the bolt, others (smart parts) choose to put that o-ring inside the breach which they consider their seal forward technology. my guess is that the original design had an o-ring inside the breech because it makes it easier to pull the bolt out of the back because of the design. But smart parts would ***** so they probably decided to put it on the bolt time..

Now the rear o-ring is was seals the air source during the firing process. That is a direct violation of dye's patent, so they shipped the bolt without that o-ring in place (however I still believe that can be argued at contributing to a patent violation).. now my guess is that they probably originally put that o-ring inside the bolt tube so that they can claim a very minimal amount of o-rings on thier bolt.. this would cause an issue with the ease of putting an o-ring on (and probably add some extra time to the assembly process). so they just threw it on the bolt..

The bumper is a relatively new ground in paintball. everyone realized that the bumper softens the cycling process or atleast makes the end user think it reduces kick, so it's safe to assume that they didn't include it in thier proto-types or early bolts because 1.) they might have wanted to thoroughly research whether it's been patented 2.) it slightly reduces the time needed to produce the bolt, and if it was a beta version then it wouldn't matter anyway.


My guess is the most current bolt would have the bumper and the bolt tip o-ring, and a slot at the rear of the bolt not containing an o-ring...

wow, I'm pretty long winded today..
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Old 10-08-2007, 01:19 PM #31
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Thanks MVPBrent!! So I'm not seeing or imagining things. Good to know, so it sounds to be quite a patent juggling process. Not so many ways to shoot a paintball down a barrel.

I guess what surprises me is that the design process seems to be ongoing even though production started a while back (August I believe) which could pose a risk to compatibility of parts.

Thanks again!
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Old 12-11-2007, 05:27 PM #32
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so Hater V2. good for hpr, bolt, and reg?
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:37 PM #33
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I use Sleek for my threshold and it works great. The main thing is use a thinner lube than dow55 to prevent the lube from creating friction around the bolt and making the back end of the gun heat up.

Sleek or Hatersauce will work great.
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Old 07-12-2008, 09:21 AM #34
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When you put the bolt back you just push it in? then put the back cap in and your good?
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do you have to mix dow 33 with some gun oil or can you use just dow 33 by itself?
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ha thanks, just didn't wana make a new thread cause then someone would probably just say its in the sticky
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Old 06-13-2011, 02:50 PM #40
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just got a threshold..
are the bolt cap threads clockwise or counter?

it didnt come with the manual..
dp's manual is vague on the pics..

im trying to get the bolt out and it wont budge..

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Old 06-13-2011, 04:55 PM #41
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Old 06-13-2011, 06:52 PM #42
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thanks for the reply!

well....chit..
it didnt budge..now the holes rounded out..
just wanted to take it apart and give everything a once over..
everything works on it,the previous owner either tightened it
way to tight or put loctite on it..its fubar'd now.

ill play with it till it goes kaput..then send it off to someone to try and remove the back cap.
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