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Old 04-22-2009, 08:07 AM #190
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Check your local colleges for grant seminars.
Be weary of SOME grant seminars, me and some friends almost got sucked into a "scam" from a group that does grant work.

I don't remember all the details but basically they made it sound like grants fell from the heavens and all you had to do was pay them and their "specialists" would shovel up all of you options and you would be ****ting grant money for the rest of your life. (slight exaggeration)

Do your own grant research to see what can work for you.
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NastyShock3r: hey guy's i live in miami i need help to open a paintball store can anyone help or can tell me what i need to do?
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Old 05-05-2009, 06:57 PM #191
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I want to run a field and if anyone knows someone wanting to invest in a field send a pm, I will do all the work for a field and share profits i just need the initial money to start the field so if you are intrested in turning your money into more money send a pm. Thanks
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:55 PM #192
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good post everyone.... I still want to open my own field and try to live from it one day..... I'll take your advise and try to build my own opinion from it.
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Old 06-04-2009, 06:22 PM #193
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Old 06-20-2009, 04:14 PM #194
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Team Flawless! I bid you best of luck in starting a field. I too am starting a paintball theme park/sports complex in the North Texas area. It's a lot harder than anticipated.

We are actually doing a feasibility study and business plan now to present to investors. Another thing we are working on is getting the local cities/counties assistance as well as running fund raisers to obtain the initial capital for license, land etc.

Fund raisers and focus groups is a great way to start off I think.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:21 PM #195
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Old 07-09-2009, 12:39 PM #196
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I've just inherited just under 80 acres near a small Mississippi town (Booneville). I do not have a mortgage on this property, I plan on using some of the land for the collateral on a loan.
I'm thinking about opening a field in two to four years. The land has power, water and 3 roads because of the two homes already build on the property. I will have to remodel or tear down the houses to serve as a pro-shop, get bunkers and decide on a layout for the field.
My problem is I live about an hour and a half from the field. I work and intend to keep working so the field would have to be a "weekend project" until the day comes when/if I can support myself and family from the profits.
Do this sound even feasible and how can I get an idea of the customer base. As far as I can tell there isn't another field for at least an hours drive.
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Old 07-09-2009, 02:26 PM #197
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This is just a question, All of this does not apply to a home field for just local small town fun does it?
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Old 07-09-2009, 04:52 PM #198
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........ My problem is I live about an hour and a half from the field. I work and intend to keep working so the field would have to be a "weekend project" until the day comes when/if I can support myself and family from the profits.
Do this sound even feasible and how can I get an idea of the customer base. As far as I can tell there isn't another field for at least an hours drive.
Just about anything is feasible if you dedicated enough, and willing to sacrifice enough.

The big question is who will pay to play at your field?? Who do you want to play at your field??
It's like every other business, you have to have people willing to pay, either enough locally, or enough willing to drive.
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This is just a question, All of this does not apply to a home field for just local small town fun does it?
Mostly everything pertains to a legitimate business, most of the problems are solved if the "venture" breaks enough laws, but if there are expenses to pay then there are still a lot of concerns remaining, and safety/insurance issues always remain.

Without a specific topic it's tough to clarify.
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Old 07-15-2009, 04:15 PM #199
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You're hilarious! I feel for you brother. If I could send you money I would in a heartbeat but just invested in HPA for my field and obviously I don't have to say how much that ran me.
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Old 07-15-2009, 04:26 PM #200
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You can count on for your first year that pretty much only your buddies and the odd bachelor party or 12 year olds birthday party to be your main business. I live on my farm where my field is and it's way harder to get things done than you imagine it would be. If it's just a weekend thing please do not go out there on your own but take as many friends as possible. With people you can get so much done rather than the crap you'll do on your own. I work full time on my field by myself and at the end of the day you look at your field and think "what did I do again today?"
Trust me when I say that this thread is the most accurate ever! These guys know what they are talking about, especially the topic starter, genius. Be prepared to be discouraged, although you're gonna be pretty enthusiastic about it at first. Get as much done as you can right off the bat because when you open to customers, even if you only have 8 12 year olds playing it will take up a huge chunk of your day so don't count on getting anything done while renters are around.
PM me, I'd love to help you out and help lessen the pain you're in for.
By the way, I absolutely love what I do!
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Old 07-15-2009, 04:31 PM #201
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This is just a question, All of this does not apply to a home field for just local small town fun does it?
Heck yes it does! I run a local home field and everything you just read from the field owners is accurate.
Sorry to deflate your dreams but it's way more work than you think it will be.
If you can find a way to make it work then do it but consider everything that you just read as absolute truth cuz pretty much all of us started off with a little field that we kept growing as our customer base grew.
Starting off you will have zero customers. No one will give your business credit until they actually try it out and it's way harder to get people out than you think it is.
Running a field is awesome, but extremely difficult and a rough ride.
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Old 07-22-2009, 01:43 AM #202
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i agree with garth..
i too wanna open a pb park...but what im thinking is finding a "good" field that is already open with good business and invest in it and start to run it with the main manger.. after being there so long i might be like C.E.O of it..and then open more parks.. hard work! and u just gotta love it...

MY mom always told me this.."u have to live happy and do what YOU want to do no matter if it pays little.." as long as ur happy life is good...
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:18 AM #203
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A good idea my local field had was instead of hiring workstaff.. Which costs lots of money... Allow people to volunteer to ref. reffing could include everything from filling tanks, blowing up bunkers, cleaning rentals, and obviously reffing games. In return for their hard work, give them discount on field fee and paint. Cheaper in the long run, and your customers feel like they contribute to your business
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Old 08-05-2009, 10:59 AM #204
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This is my fifth year in the business.I have just started to make a profit.A little something for you guys with smaller venues.I throw co2 in with my entry this puts pressure on the pirate fields.Its hard to get a player to come to your field if hes playing on a field he doesnt have to pay.Pirate fields really hurt legit fields because with out rec ballers you fail.
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Old 09-19-2009, 10:20 AM #205
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what are the good and bad of opening a indoor x-ball field. the building is family owned and property tax is minimal.
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Old 09-21-2009, 02:43 PM #206
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I love to hear so much advice and encouragement from everyone, it's awesome!!
I feel the need to add my story to the ranks.
I first played paintball when a friend of mine asked if I wanted to play at an abandoned water treatment plant on the weekend. I went out that night and purchased everything I needed for my son and myself to play a day of paintball. The first battle, I got hit in the neck (no neck protector) and it was cold that day, OUCH! I've been hooked since.
A few weeks later, I talked to a buddy of mine and we decided to start a little paintball business so we could play for free, after all paintball is not cheap. We started with 8 guns that I purchased off EBay, and put everything in the back of my 67 Chevy pick-up. We set up a canopy, a table, and a couple of chairs. We set up Sat. and Sun. that weekend. All 8 guns rented 2 times each day. We made a killing. Both of us knew that we were on to something. Things were going really good, then someone got careless with a cigarette on a windy day. The resulting fire burned 3 families’ homes. As a result, we needed to relocate.
We went from place to place in the desert outside of El Paso playing renegade paintball. It was looking pretty grim. My partner, decided he wanted out. I bought his share and still kept truckin' sharing my time with a full time job and the small business. All of this and still no business plan, just a dream.
Due to a radical turn of events and the bad economy, I got laid off this past May from my job of 8 years. I had been thinking of quitting my job for a few months but needed the steady income that the paintball business couldn't deliver yet. I'm sure everyone has heard of the "leap of faith", well I took a chance and began to push the business into a full time job. This has not been as easy as everyone thinks it is. Not only am I a business man, but also a gun smith when players have issues with the equipment, ring master for the games, head referee, storyline writer, publicist, truck driver, lawyer, landscaper, carpenter, painter, and last but not least bill collector.
I've been hearing a saying lately, If you love your work, you won't work a day in your life. I feel guilty because my wife is working a 40 hour a week job and I hear all the complaining. I have no complaints. I love what I'm doing and am the envy of all my friends. I'm at home during the week taking care of logistics and planning, and have fun doing paintball on the weekends. I would not trade it for the world right now. I'm watching my business grow by leaps and bounds since I began to lease some land and set my field up on it. I'm living my dream right now. All of my customers walk and sometimes limp away with smiles on their faces, swearing they will be back. I've had new customers come in by the dozens, and I can't keep my new guns on the shelves.
It's always been my business philosophy that if you take care of the customer, the customer will take care of you. I started with nothing, and have built something that I can be proud of. I still have my $250 67 Chevy pick-up, but now it's pulling my $100 converted camping trailer with all of my equipment inside of it, to and from the field . Keep it simple and inexpensive, and it will keep moving. I do under sell my competition and it does work. I would much rather make $10 on a rental instead of the competition making $20. Paintball is more fun with more people, I get more people due to cheap prices on a very good product. They go hand in hand
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Old 09-30-2009, 09:18 PM #207
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whats up all... I read thru many of the pages... but not all of them... I wanted to add "zoning" to the list.. (at leats in ny). and also another thing is if the peopel in that town do not want you there, they will find a way to keep you out of there. I "attempted" to start a paintball field back in 2002 in NY. I spent 8 months looking for land, i finally found and purchased 77 acres. It took a loan of $80,000 just for the land alone.. it was zoned recreational commercial. which you woudl think is the ideal requirements. I met with the town counsil for a few months.. They did not want me there at all. the town peopel came to the city hall meetings each time and had no problem telling me how much they did not want me there. they said it was a violent sport. they claimed it woudl bring a bad crowd of kids to their area. they said the kids woudl shoot their animals (a few small farms in area). they said it was like a para military game which scared them. they said the paintballs would get into the soil and contaminate the water in the streams and be environmentally bad. I mean the list went on and on...
I hired an environmental engineer (or something like that- it was long ago) to prove that the paintballs were non oil based and woudl not have any negative environemntal effects. I also had to hire a lawyer. I had to also hire an engineer to do a survey and blueprints of hwo i planned to set the fields up. the counsil kept adding more and more obstacles trying to deter me from starting this field.
first they told me to fence all 77 acres of land! insane idea. then they told me to have 5 porta potties and have each concealed and fenced in. then i had to have trained EMS personel on site at all operating times.. then the absolute killer was that i had to put in an official parking lot. I forget the terms, but it was to be high grade like a kmart parking lot. the estimates were $30,000 for the parking lot... that was when i had to fold and take it as a loss... they just kept adding more & more things until it became unaffordable or unreasonable. (fyi - in NY, our paintball fields just have dirt roads or gravel, so an actual parking lot was crazy)...
luckily, a year later when i finally did sell the land, it was worth much more than i paid (due to that part of NY beginning to be developed), and i made enough money to pay off all debts (lawyer, engineer, loans)etc and have some profit.. so not a complete loss, but still devastating to me...

i left paintball alone for awhile, but this year i started thinking about it again... but for a different state.,, which is why i registered on pbnation.

one more thing... there definately is money to be made in paintball fields... SurvivaL NY back in 2002 had hundreds of people each weekend... no advertising at all, just word of mouth... i know it was sold awhile back, and I havent been there recently, but i have heard its not packed like ot used to be - but i assume because of the economy right now.. paintball is an expensive game...

anyway, even though i had my hand in it a little bit, i feel like a noob all over again... 7 years went by... alot of new things. so im off to check out the forums and see what ive been missing! lol
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Old 10-01-2009, 02:06 AM #208
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That's a depressing story man. Sucks that those people were so ignorant and hostile towards you and the sport. You should have gone at them with interest groups and whatnot. Good luck on your future endeavors.

I would like to put out a question to some field owners. Many of you have said something along the lines of 'it's harder than you think' in regards to opening a field/business. My question to you is, did you think it was going to be easy?

I have all but made my mind up on starting a paintball company when i get back from Iraq. Having worked at a field before, and with my current job as an US Army Infantryman, i know how many hours go into being the owner/operator (because i've seen it), and i'm ready to pull 80+ hour work weeks (i'm already doing that). I am going into this knowing my social life is about to disappear for the foreseeable future, and that profit margins aren't going to be what i expect, and that failure is a very real possibility. I CANNOT be the only guy going into this paintball field industry knowing, or expecting such things, can i?
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Old 12-06-2009, 08:07 PM #209
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Think of it this way.

if you live in an area where paintball is "growing" will you be willing to pile $75,000 on a table, douse it in lighter fluid, and light it on fire? because it's going to be a minimum of 3-5 years before you ever see it again.
It depends will it be in 1$ bills or 100$ bills? lmao! jk
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Old 12-14-2009, 11:25 AM #210
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I owned a small field in Northern Michigan back in the mid-90's. I was young and naive. Since that time I have owned and operated a few successful businesses (Large construction contracting company, Small ski resort, Real Estate business) I am considering opening up a new field and store in my area. I am looking at 60 acres (working a deal to purchase as I am still a real estate broker). I already have all the rental equipment purchased, minus the HPA tanks. I won't buy them till I get closer to a definitive open date. No sense in wasting good hydro months on tanks just sitting around. I have already spoken with local government about zoning, and with an insurance rep that does paintball insurance. I am not doing this so I can play paintball, even though I enjoy playing it, I enjoy introducing people into the sport more. I have put aside a little over 250K for the initial venture, plus I have investors that can put up an additional 150k should I need them. (trying to keep them out). I am an avid paintballer that has played for 21 years, but I am a much better business man than a paintballer. It may take me another 1.5-2 years to get to where I feel it is the time to open. My suggestion for those that want a field, take the time to due your due diligence on it. Do not rush into anything, or as stated before. You might as well take that pile of money, pour lighter fluid on it, and strike a match. By the way, if your willing to throw your money away, I will be happy to give you my account number and a way for you to deposit it into my account since you don't need it..
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