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Old 08-07-2007, 11:20 PM #1
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Anyone else have a problem with only 4 teams from the 40+ teams at nationals receiving coverage? Why doesn't AA get any media attention? There were literally twice as many AA teams at nationals than A teams...and yet none of those teams are on the DVD. My own intuition suggests that the DVD would have broader appeal if more teams were included...

PS - If fox sports dictates who and what gets covered, someone should educate Fox Sports...
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:48 PM #2
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here comes raehl on how hard filming is...

clean up your double thread. i agree a bit. i would definitely like to see more college teams on film, but i dont have any say in that.
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:15 AM #3
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I agree with this as well. Even if there were just a DVD of Nationals that wasn't on TV, that'd be cooler than nothing at all.
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:47 AM #4
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here comes raehl on how hard filming is...

clean up your double thread. i agree a bit. i would definitely like to see more college teams on film, but i dont have any say in that.
Oops...thanks I didn't notice I did that...weird.
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Anyone else have a problem with only 4 teams from the 40+ teams at nationals receiving coverage? Why doesn't AA get any media attention? There were literally twice as many AA teams at nationals than A teams...and yet none of those teams are on the DVD. My own intuition suggests that the DVD would have broader appeal if more teams were included...

PS - If fox sports dictates who and what gets covered, someone should educate Fox Sports...
AA didn't get any media attention because 5 man games are a lot slower and not so suited for tv where you want outsiders to the sport to actually enjoy watching the games. I think if we were to get some media attention it should be more of a highlight reel format. Show all the teams that were there and some of the better action from the 5 man games. Then again this would probably up the production cost significantly. If you are trying to put paintball on tv in a format that people that don't play paintball will enjoy and want to watch, class A/xball is where its at.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:18 AM #6
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The TV show is what brings in the money to pay for the TV show, AND also pay for other expenses (the TV show is profitable). To have a profitable TV show, we need to produce the best programming we can, and Class A lends itself to producing good television programs better than Class AA does. So we film what we need to do produce the TV show. Because we've already edited the TV shows, it's pretty easy and cheap to just put those shows on DVD and make, again, more money.

If we film Class AA, and put it on DVD, we lose money. The NCPA is not here to lose money. That's why there's no Class AA on the DVD. And this isn't just an NCPA decision - any other paintball DVD company was welcome to come out and film Class AA and put together a DVD. They made the same profit determination that we did.

In the end, the Class AA entry fees are lower because we put Class A on TV.

But, there is a solution. Recruit more players, practice, and you can make it to the Class A semifinals too.


Looking at it a different way, one might ask if it is fair that 20% of the teams (the class A teams) kicked in 60% of the money that paid for the event (between entry fees and sponsorship revenue). I'd, of course, say that it is, since there is no A without AA, but be careful what you ask for. If you want totally fair, we'll put AA on the DVDs, but lower the A entry fees by half and double the AA entry fees. (Well, we couldn't actually do that, because then we'd just not have any AA teams show up.)


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lawl, if you really wanted footage of yourself on the DVD, you should have hired your own filming crew. The filming crew was there to film Class A semi finals and finals, and anything else that would help the production of those episodes. Class AA was not one of those things. The DVD is just a recorded version of those episodes, so that you can enjoy seeing superstars like Steve "tight pants" Potter, Eric "hot pockets" Strophzdfts, Tyler "sweet headband brah" Nehlings, Eric "sup brah" Costa, and Mike "lawl beanie in 95 degree whether imma toughguy" Wickey trounce the living **** out of each other.
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chris basicly covered it all. We use the income from class A to supliment class AA. That is why we can offer nationals to class AA teams at a reasonable cost (remember we have the same costs as PSP to host any event and don't get a quarter what they get in entry fees, that money has to come somewhere. So in return to Class A we get them on TV. It really is a win/win for A and AA teams. And as chris said we don't want the two to be 100% equal, we want teams to strive to better their programs in hopes of playing Class A.
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maybe we'll just have to make our own movie for AA with black jack and hookers...

know what? forget the movie. Bring on the blackjack and hookers...

but seriously, Why would I pay for a dvd featuring college players? Who outside of the NCPA excluding families of players would ever buy an NCPA dvd? Why would I buy an NCPA dvd when I can buy a dvd that features pro paintballers. I'm sure I'm not alone in these sentiments...

The only reason for me to even buy a dvd of college players would be because I was in it, even if it was only for a quick second...

According to Andy Warhol that would be my .15 seconds of fame...
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Why would I buy an NCPA dvd when I can buy a dvd that features pro paintballers.
Why would you buy a dvd that features pro paintballers?

The whole market segment of people who watched the 3 part series on Fox might be interested in purchasing the DVDs, not just pbnationers.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:43 AM #11
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but seriously, Why would I pay for a dvd featuring college players? Who outside of the NCPA excluding families of players would ever buy an NCPA dvd? Why would I buy an NCPA dvd when I can buy a dvd that features pro paintballers.
Why would somebody buy a skateboarding video when they can buy a blockbuster film that features 30 seconds worth of somebody skating?

Why would somebody buy a motocross video when they can buy a DVD with Jean Claude Van Damme chasing some villains down on a 250 cc beast of a motox bike?

Why do they make size 9 shoes, when size 15 shoes will fit them perfectly fine?

Shut the hell up.
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what's the difference between buying a DVD of college ballets that doesn't include you and a DVD of pro ballets that doesn't include you? Except that the majority of people feel the college show is far better produced.
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Because Jean Claude will kick you in the throat if you don't.
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i agree that class AA shouldnt be in the dvd, but i also agree that there should be more class A teams on it.

im not saying feature other games before the semi finals (as chris raehl said, a team should strive to better themselves and MAKE IT to the semis) but at the very least a highlight reel with small parts of previous games. this way, you're not just throwing the casual viewer in and saying "here are the semi finals! hope you enjoy the show!" without giving them even a clue as to how these teams got there in the first place.
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im not saying feature other games before the semi finals (as chris raehl said, a team should strive to better themselves and MAKE IT to the semis) but at the very least a highlight reel with small parts of previous games.
The 2005 DVD has this.
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i agree that class AA shouldnt be in the dvd, but i also agree that there should be more class A teams on it.

im not saying feature other games before the semi finals (as chris raehl said, a team should strive to better themselves and MAKE IT to the semis) but at the very least a highlight reel with small parts of previous games. this way, you're not just throwing the casual viewer in and saying "here are the semi finals! hope you enjoy the show!" without giving them even a clue as to how these teams got there in the first place.
this dude speaks the truth

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The 2005 DVD has this.
it's 2007
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it's 2007
It is indeed the year two-thousand seven.
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We try and get as much as we can with the budget we have. Our plan is to do 7 episodes next year, which would get us 4 more teams. We'll see if the budget for that shakes out.

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is FCS filming again next year?
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Ok...class A it is...
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Why would somebody buy a skateboarding video when they can buy a blockbuster film that features 30 seconds worth of somebody skating?

Why would somebody buy a motocross video when they can buy a DVD with Jean Claude Van Damme chasing some villains down on a 250 cc beast of a motox bike?

Why do they make size 9 shoes, when size 15 shoes will fit them perfectly fine?

Shut the hell up.
wow thats mature. I was trying to explain my point in a respectful manner... but I guess at the busch league school you go to they dont care about respect...

btw you're a douchebag...

If I really caused any problems with my last post I do apologize, but thats what I feel. I also thank anyone who RESPECTFULLY responded to my post. I'm glad to see that people use these forums for actually debate a topic instead of using it to extend their E-weiners...
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