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Old 08-06-2007, 07:05 PM #1
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A theory... Shouldn't CO2 be GOOD for electronics?

I have a feeling we're not to this point in paintball technology yet.

What I am proposing is this. Electronics heat up as they do more work. When electronics are cooled to freezing temperatures, they generally do a lot better. Now, I'm talking about computers here. But guns these days are getting more advanced. Might there be a point when it's suggested to use CO2? Might there be an advantage to cooling the noid or the processor? (I understand they are well separated).

//just wondering.
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Old 08-06-2007, 07:10 PM #2
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no.... the CO2 filled into the tanks is liquid, and the liquid running through the gun and electronic, ould screw it up.... (not to in depth , but w.e)
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Old 08-06-2007, 07:10 PM #3
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I don't think paintball electronics will get to the point where they will need cooling and if it did, there is probally a way more practical / easier way to cool it.
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Old 08-06-2007, 07:12 PM #4
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the cold isnt good for the orings either
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Old 08-06-2007, 07:30 PM #5
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The problem isnt as much the coldness, as it is the liquid.
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Old 08-06-2007, 07:34 PM #6
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In addition to the obvious reasons (o-rings, regulator, etc..) theres also the point that it would condensate too much and possibly harm electronics. Thats only if it would run closely to the electronics, but still its a risk. If anything, the temperature that the air (High or Low pressure) should be cooled enough while going through the gun. If I remember correctly, its because of Bernoulli's principle, correct me if I'm wrong though.
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Old 08-06-2007, 07:34 PM #7
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^^^ yup u see the liquid in the co2 is conductive and therefore will short your bord but other liwuids like motor oil and mieral oil arnt conductive and u can pour these on the electronics if u wnated to.
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Old 08-06-2007, 07:40 PM #8
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And on top of all that even though we, as humans, think that there's a lot of stuff happening very quickly in a paintball gun controller in computer or microcontroller terms this is about as humdrum and slow a use as you can imagine.

Nothing you can imagine doing in a paintball gun would in any way strain any of the current generation of simple microcontrollers to anywhere near where additional cooling would be required.
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Old 08-06-2007, 08:03 PM #9
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ya paintball boards are never going to need any active cooling system, you can make it pretty far with simple heat sinks before you need to do anything like that
plus CO2 is not used for high end guns because its generaly dirtier, cold doesn't bode well for o-rings, pressure fluctuations, the liquid issue
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Old 08-06-2007, 08:07 PM #10
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the issue with CO2 isnt being dirty, or most of the other myths you hear....

its the self regulating quality of liquid co2... that there is the same amount of pressure in a full 24oz co2 tank as there is in a tiny little 12g cartridge...

so when liquid co2 makes it past the inline reg, it can cause damage to the internals that were not made to withstand the high pressure (~800psi) of co2 (in gas form) such as blowing noids, popping hoses, and the obvious (which is due to the liquid and NOT the pressure) the eating of o-rings...
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Old 08-06-2007, 08:12 PM #11
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the issue with CO2 isnt being dirty, or most of the other myths you hear....

its the self regulating quality of liquid co2... that there is the same amount of pressure in a full 24oz co2 tank as there is in a tiny little 12g cartridge...

so when liquid co2 makes it past the inline reg, it can cause damage to the internals that were not made to withstand the high pressure (~800psi) of co2 (in gas form) such as blowing noids, popping hoses, and the obvious (which is due to the liquid and NOT the pressure) the eating of o-rings...
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Old 08-06-2007, 10:37 PM #12
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Fluorinert FTW!!! but yea a much better way would be a heatsink so nah. The chips would never get that hot anyways.
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Old 08-06-2007, 11:15 PM #13
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Actually the rapid heating and cooling would be pretty detrimental to the electronics... if the co2 passed close enough and in large enough quantities to make a difference.

If they were supercooled at a constant temperature like with liquid nitrogen, then they might turn into super conducters and do all kinds of weird things, but the co2 really has no effect on them, and the effect would be pretty detrimental if it was concentrated on the chips becuase of the inconsistancies.

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Old 08-06-2007, 11:34 PM #14
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the issue with CO2 isnt being dirty, or most of the other myths you hear....

its the self regulating quality of liquid co2... that there is the same amount of pressure in a full 24oz co2 tank as there is in a tiny little 12g cartridge...

so when liquid co2 makes it past the inline reg, it can cause damage to the internals that were not made to withstand the high pressure (~800psi) of co2 (in gas form) such as blowing noids, popping hoses, and the obvious (which is due to the liquid and NOT the pressure) the eating of o-rings...
You do realize that Co2 can be regulated exactly the same way as compressed air or nitrogen, right? If you put Co2 into a typical electropneumatic marker, it will get double-reg'd through the HPR and LPR exactly like compressed air or nitrogen will. Using Co2 in that situation won't be putting any higher pressure into your solenoid than using air or nitrogen, provided your regs are functioning.
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Old 08-06-2007, 11:43 PM #15
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You do realize that Co2 can be regulated exactly the same way as compressed air or nitrogen, right? If you put Co2 into a typical electropneumatic marker, it will get double-reg'd through the HPR and LPR exactly like compressed air or nitrogen will. Using Co2 in that situation won't be putting any higher pressure into your solenoid than using air or nitrogen, provided your regs are functioning.
you can regulate it, yes. But if any liquid Co2 make it through the regulator, when it evaporates it will spike the pressure.
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Old 08-07-2007, 12:16 AM #16
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Indeed. Meaning that liquid is, in fact, the problem. Not the inherent pressure of Co2, as was asserted.
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:54 AM #17
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the compressed air is already cold enough since its leaving the tank at a fast speed...i think...some one correct me if im wrong
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Old 08-07-2007, 12:18 PM #18
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The real problem with Co2 is not the liquid, good regulators really take care of that before the air enters the gun. What happens though when the cold Co2 flows through the solenoid at high speeds is that it creates condensation on the outside of the solenoid and this is basically water.
Water + electronic components = bad.
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yeah, if anything well just slap some heatsinks on there and maybe a fan or two
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Liquid CO2 is really really cold...have you ever felt liquid CO2? It's too cold for cooling purposes.


Good theory though.
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Old 08-07-2007, 08:56 PM #21
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Liquid CO2 is really really cold...have you ever felt liquid CO2? It's too cold for cooling purposes.


Good theory though.
yep, its what comes out of the cans if you turn em upside down the shoot the aerosol, well its as cold as that lol
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