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Old 08-03-2007, 09:18 AM #1
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well i want to turn my spyder into a mag

any suggestions....plz help or maby a FASOR....still need help.
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Old 08-03-2007, 10:04 AM #2
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go to the airgun design thread and look in the stickies the only part of the spyder you need is the e frame, so your really not turning a spyder into a mag your just e-framing a mag.
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Old 08-03-2007, 11:01 AM #3
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o ok
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Old 08-03-2007, 11:07 AM #4
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also maby another question u guys can answer.... why is a spyder pump soooo in acurate. what if i made the ram lighter and used air to push the ram? would tht make it any more acurate??
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also maby another question u guys can answer.... why is a spyder pump soooo in acurate. what if i made the ram lighter and used air to push the ram? would tht make it any more acurate??
Chances are that you did a crappy job making it. It shouldn't be any more inaccurate than the gun it started as.
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Old 08-03-2007, 11:15 AM #6
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also maby another question u guys can answer.... why is a spyder pump soooo in acurate. what if i made the ram lighter and used air to push the ram? would tht make it any more acurate??
im not sure, how exactly would you go about making air push the ram instead of a spring? you'll need a noid and do some pretty extensive work.
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Old 08-03-2007, 11:16 AM #7
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sooo i havent made one YET the only thing holding me back is the accuracy thing and every time i see ppl make them they always say they are inacurate. but i want to make something original. how about putting the internals of a nelson in it? (maby not lol)
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Old 08-03-2007, 11:17 AM #8
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hmmmmm. maby one powered by a ram to push the valve pin in. so there is no ram??
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Old 08-03-2007, 11:42 AM #9
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wait wait.... i think i have it. ok so im ganna put a ram (air powered) in my gun in place of the ram in it now. then put a rubber disk at the end. so when i pull the trigger it makes the ram go forward. witht the bolt. then it hits the vallve and then fire the bal. Then the blowback gasses push on thje disk on the ram putting it back into placce. and ready for fireing again.
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Old 08-03-2007, 12:29 PM #10
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if you made air push a ram then it would be a spimmy, or something very close to it.

slap a good regulator on your spyder and your accuracy will increase.
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wait wait.... i think i have it. ok so im ganna put a ram (air powered) in my gun in place of the ram in it now.
There is no ram in a spyder. Even if there was, you would want a more reliable method to reset the ram than blowback.
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you cant just make a gun into a different gun...and its innacuurate probably because the paint to barrel bore match is off...nooooooooooothing really at all to with the ram or anyhting

and whats the big deal with this FASOR concept
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The other reason people say they are inacurate is because, the avaerage Spyder pump owner has never played pump before, and you have to get a feel for a pump marker for it to be accurate, they just arnt ready.
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The other reason people say they are inacurate is because, the avaerage Spyder pump owner has never played pump before, and you have to get a feel for a pump marker for it to be accurate, they just arnt ready.
That, and many of the pump mods that get shown on here are incredibly half-assed. It's no wonder people get inaccuracies, I bet mostly due to inconsistent velocities: when the poppet pins are coated with globs of JB weld in an attempt to remove the blowback venting, the linkage pins are roughly sawn in half leaving jagged edges to rub against the body, hammers that have the same problem (rough grinding catching on the link pin), etc...
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ok i mean buy a ram like a cocker ram. and not use the striker. but work the valve buy a ram from a cocker. but a little diferent. instead of double actuated. its single. then the blowback gasas would pus the ram back into place. o and when i said replace the ram im srry i mean striker or hammer.
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ok i mean buy a ram like a cocker ram. and not use the striker. but work the valve buy a ram from a cocker. but a little diferent. instead of double actuated. its single. then the blowback gasas would pus the ram back into place. o and when i said replace the ram im srry i mean striker or hammer.
Blowback gas won't be enough for that, you would need a single acting air cylinder that is spring returned. You would also require a method to ensure that the same amount of air goes to the cylinder every trigger pull for velocity consistency: not the easiest thing for you I'm afraid.
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Old 08-03-2007, 01:51 PM #17
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hmmm...then what can i do??
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sooo i havent made one YET the only thing holding me back is the accuracy thing and every time i see ppl make them they always say they are inacurate. but i want to make something original. how about putting the internals of a nelson in it? (maby not lol)
Use a decent barrel and use decent paint and it'll be fine.

The other issue is that a lot of folks doing Spyder or other blowback pumps cut the pin and turn them into a closed bolt sort of deal where the bolt pumps back forward. If you're not using a barrel kit to pinch the paint lightly this means that the ball can roll forward in the barrel or maybe not. This can make the shots terribly inconsistent and lead to a lot of issues like inaccuracy. To get around that you'll need to get a barrel KIT like a Freak or other option and pick the back to suit the paint.

And Nelson guts won't fit or work inside a spyder body or work with a Spyder trigger frame. A whole different setup.
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Old 08-03-2007, 02:23 PM #19
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hmmmmm. maby i should start with another body. ok so i want to biuld a gun. what gun has the least moving parts?
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Old 08-03-2007, 06:35 PM #21
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