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Old 07-30-2007, 10:40 PM #1
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Tech-T PMR L7 bolt *UPDATE THREAD* If you own one get in here!

Okay, the threads about the L7 bolt from tech T (for the PMR only please!) havent been going anywhere in a looong while. I am sure some more people have tried out this bolt and the others who have already posted about them have has a lot of time to get to better know their bolts. Therefore I would LOVE to hear some updated remarks on them. I have now noticed that Tech-T has moved from the "Beta Test" phase and are now selling PMR L7 bolts to the general public with no more pre-order wait list BS. I am assuming this means they are set on the design and are going ahead with full on mass production.

That being said, how is your PMR L7 bolt? Does it do everything it said it will do (less kick and noise)? Does it do more ( less air consumption)? Does it do less? post up your experiences and results!
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Old 07-30-2007, 10:55 PM #2
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the only things that i have heard it does are make it less efficient and quieter
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:16 AM #3
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i own one and it worked wonders on accuracy from less kick and very queit but however the air Eff. does kind of suck but i would take less shots to hit my target so in my eyes its a great upgrade however it does take away the boost forward tech. the boost foward tech was suppose to be a basically soft kiss to the ball then accelrate fast to push the ball with air. anyways with the L7 i have never broken paint (10 cases or so with L7) from Mabs to ultra evil to crap old PMI paint and never broke a ball with the bolt however i have chopped a ball once due to turning the eyes off at 25 BPS after that i never turned the eyes off a agian and have the cap at 20 with virtue board
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:19 AM #4
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they managed to make the pmr LESS efficient
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Old 11-25-2007, 12:38 AM #5
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i just bought a pmr off my buddy and it has ul frame and barrel and tech t l7 bolt eff seems decent 4 pods and a hopper off a 3000 fill on a 68 4500 tank with dwell on 20 gun shoots darts and super fast but i cant get away from it chopping only chops 1 to 2 balls a game but i only shoot semi and eyes are always on and i shoot fresh draxxus feild paint still wondering if i was doing something wrong with the bolt is the spacers supposed to be aginst each other or one spacer on each side of that oring
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Old 12-09-2007, 05:57 PM #6
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I have one in the gun I bought. I also had the stock one so I compared.

Stock Bolt - Very Low kick
- Not particularly loud
-Efficiency good for an enclosed bolt.
I still don't see how the Boost forward actually helps, from what I can see it just holds the bolt closed so it doesn't bounce.)

L7 Bolt - No kick (no surprise, the bolt weighs nothing)
-A bit less sound (who the hell cares unless your doing woodsball.
-Efficiency did go down (I can't use the spacers though (BETA), maybe those would help)

I still have yet to do tests with 4500 fills, but I have a 92/4500 so I'd think i'm fine.
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Old 12-09-2007, 06:14 PM #7
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look at this guy vidoes. This is how i decided if i should get the tech-t bolt for my pmr. (i decided not to get the bolt not much of a difference in my view).
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Old 12-09-2007, 06:23 PM #8
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i have a techt bolt, came in my PMR when i traded for it so i never had the stock bolt but my teammate does and you can definetly tell that my gun is qiueter and sounds softer when shooting. I don't really check efficiency because i always have all day air and just fill up randomly. I do know that you can lower your dwell significantly. Right now i'm running at 11ms with no spacers and with both spacers in i was able to lower it to 9ms. Both of these numbers could go down if i increased input pressure. I never have a problem chopping, last time i chopped was when i decided it was a good idea to ramp to 25bps with no eyes in the gun because i just got my pulse and i still only had 2 breaks. I'm very happy with my bolt, there is no kick in no way shape or form and has never let me down. i'll check efficiency one of these days but i'm just running low dwell so it might be bad eff. but i'm not one to set my gun up to the most shot per tank
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Old 12-09-2007, 06:39 PM #9
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look at this guy vidoes. This is how i decided if i should get the tech-t bolt for my pmr. (i decided not to get the bolt not much of a difference in my view).
Yeah I just watch that. And unfortunately it means nothing. If I leave my gun to its current setting and switch L7 bolt for the stock bolt, yes I will get about the same kick or maybe even lower, however it will not shoot even close to 240FPS and the dwell and reg will need high settings to reacquire my 300FPS. Then measure the kick. I can guaranty you the kick will have changed.

You can't compare internal parts at the same settings without paint and chronos. Our aim is to go as close to 300FPS as possible (constantly) without going over and keeping the barrel pointed at our intended target.
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Old 12-09-2007, 06:42 PM #10
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actually if you watch one of his vids, he chronos the rail with stock bolt, then switches to the techt and it is over because the settings have to be higher with the stock bolt
you get around a 50fps increase from stock to techt bolts
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Old 12-10-2007, 12:23 AM #11
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Its my video, and no way shape or form would I recommend the Tech T bolt. Doesn't live up to its claims and I found it less efficient than the stock.
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:16 AM #12
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Its my video, and no way shape or form would I recommend the Tech T bolt. Doesn't live up to its claims and I found it less efficient than the stock.
What claims ? The kick is reduced on a well adjusted gun. (not same settings, game settings) and cycle time is faster (I have not tested this, but my mechanical engineering background says that's how it should work).

Efficiency is reduced (from what I experienced) but they never said they would improve that. (they said the new model had improved efficiency over the BETA model, thats it.)

The way I see it if you bought a PMR you where not really looking for efficiency, or you would have gotten an Etek or and old cyborg.

I would in no way recommend the TechT bolt, but the performance is there. The price is just what throws it off, if you can get it for less than $30 by all means buy it, I like mine. I just would never pay $80+ for that low of a kick difference, and the stock bolt already cycles 30bps.(if you need more than that I sure don't want to be playing against you.)
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:00 AM #13
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What claims ? The kick is reduced on a well adjusted gun. (not same settings, game settings) and cycle time is faster (I have not tested this, but my mechanical engineering background says that's how it should work).

Efficiency is reduced (from what I experienced) but they never said they would improve that. (they said the new model had improved efficiency over the BETA model, thats it.)
Claims from TechT web site:

1st: It reduces Kick/Recoil to get ride of the "Clunky" Feel

The TechT Bolt definitely changes the feel of the PMR but it does not reduce the Kick/Recoil. If anything it had more Kick/Recoil than Stock

2nd: At any given Pressure and Dwell it will have a 10-15 FPS gain

This is very true and even exceeded what TechT claimed, I got a 24fps gain

3rd: A SD of +/- 2 to 3 fps

Well I got a SD of +/- 5.3fps, most likely would change if i did another set, but thats what I got.

4th: More efficient than stock. Not true on a full 68/45 I only got 4 pods and hopper and a few extras. With the stock bolt I get 6 and hopper easy.

Plus the set up instructions have changed, It used to read start at 18 not 25 for the dwell. Additionally the web site stated they were able to get an extra pod over stock. Thats why I tested the Techt bolt at a dwell of 18 per their recommeded settings.

Dwell time is the same for every bolt so the cycle rate cannot really be increased with out changing the dwell.

The bolt is junk just like the Orange, Evolve, and lucky. I tested thm all. The last bolt to do anything for the matrix world were the Professional Paintball adjustable, and the first evolve bolt for Matrix, DM3 and below.

Don't believe it waste your money on some more crap.
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:45 AM #14
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If I was interested in this bolt to provide better performance in shooting very brittle paint would you say that it is better than stock? It seems that this bolt, even tho' is not efficient or able to minimize muzzle rise, looked like it would shoot a very low pressures maintaining 300 fps. My son's UL'd PMR has issues shooting ultra evil; I've already experimented with different Dwell/Pressure combinations so I'm looking for an alternate solution.
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Old 12-11-2007, 05:50 AM #15
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I put in the techT bolt partially because I had done everything else to the gun.
I was one of the people that sunk waay too much money into their PMR by buying parts as they came out... anyway- at first, the bolt was definately quieter, with less kick. But not overly impressive and the efficiency was better but not by tons. Then I left my gun alone for a month (aired up the whole time-no leaks) and upon shooting it; it was muuch softer. now the efficiency is much better too. Not one break, ever. dunno, but I think it's better than the Hcore. All in all a worthewhile up.
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Old 12-11-2007, 06:20 AM #16
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If I was interested in this bolt to provide better performance in shooting very brittle paint would you say that it is better than stock? It seems that this bolt, even tho' is not efficient or able to minimize muzzle rise, looked like it would shoot a very low pressures maintaining 300 fps. My son's UL'd PMR has issues shooting ultra evil; I've already experimented with different Dwell/Pressure combinations so I'm looking for an alternate solution.
Most breaks are not cause by the air pressure that acts directly on the ball as that is an even pressure over the entire surface area. Rather the breaks are caused by the bolt hitting the ball, the ball being sliced by the detents, or squeezing/rubbing on the barrel sides. As the techT L7 cycles significantly faster than the stock bolt, has less frontal surface area, and does not utilize the boost forward tech it is likely rougher on paint.

That being said, NEITHER bolt should be breaking any amount of paint. I would look at the detents and try overboaring if your using a barrel kit before chucking the stock bolt. Also make sure the bolt is clean, well lubed and that non of the o-rings are getting frayed and rough.
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Old 12-11-2007, 06:52 AM #17
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Ok I just reread the section on the PMR L7 bolt just to make sure I didn't miss anything on TechT's website. Still can't find the claims you are talking about. I even took a screenshot, I could send it to you, so you can tell me where you saw all these claims.

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Claims from TechT web site:

1st: It reduces Kick/Recoil to get ride of the "Clunky" Feel

The TechT Bolt definitely changes the feel of the PMR but it does not reduce the Kick/Recoil. If anything it had more Kick/Recoil than Stock
There is less recoil at game settings, nevermind what recommended specs or instructions and all that, set both guns as close to 300 FPS with good consistency and then check the kick.

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3rd: A SD of +/- 2 to 3 fps

Well I got a SD of +/- 5.3fps, most likely would change if i did another set, but thats what I got.

4th: More efficient than stock. Not true on a full 68/45 I only got 4 pods and hopper and a few extras. With the stock bolt I get 6 and hopper easy.
Don't see where is says that on there site...here is the link I used.
http://www.techtpaintball.com/pmrl7.html
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Dwell time is the same for every bolt so the cycle rate cannot really be increased with out changing the dwell.
Ok click here and study this animation for me. Where does the boost forward gas go, when the bolt returns ? No where it has to either go back through its original wholes(pressure higher that way) or out the back(when the bolt is back far enough) Theres pressure holding it forward. That's why the cycle speed would be higher on a stock bolt. Since the TechT bolt shoots at lower pressures the bolt is allowed to come back to its ready to fire position sooner. Dwell only controls how fast the air in front of the bolt (holding it back) is released. It has no control on the re cocking part.

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The bolt is junk just like the Orange, Evolve, and lucky. I tested thm all. The last bolt to do anything for the matrix world were the Professional Paintball adjustable, and the first evolve bolt for Matrix, DM3 and below.

Don't believe it waste your money on some more crap.
You can't say it doesn't support it's claims cause I can't find any it doesn't, therefor you can't say it's junk. It has different characteristics than stock bolt and some people will love there TechT more than they ever will the stock. Maybe not for $80 bucks, but if you can get one from someone who has problems with the efficiency for half, it's a great deal.

The tech T will reduce kick, sound, cycle time and air pressure at GAME settings. That's what it does .

And I haven't even seen the Hcore bolt yet but it seems to be built the same as stock except lighter, All my knowledge says that is better than stock any day. Maybe not worth the price it is, but still no junk.
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Old 12-11-2007, 04:57 PM #18
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From reading this post and what people have to say theres a lot of people with good and bad points. For one, yes the L7 bolt is not the cutting edge in bolt designs. From switching from the beta version to the new version I noticed it is noticeably different. I got +/- 5 FPS, with less kick. Granted this was chronoed at 250FPS and dwell set at 22, with the big top hat. Just the one though not both. I also didn't notice much drop from it either. Even with the ABS off (thats what TechT recommends/ tells you to do) I am pretty pleased so far from the upgrades that TechT has done. As of right now I'll be messing with the top hats that they have supplied with the bolt and the dwell to see if there will be any noticeable efficiency difference.

But just like everyone says the efficiency sucks I only get about 4 pods and a hopper maybe 5 pods, but thats pushing it. I'll Post again next time I go play and maybe make a video of it also.
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Old 05-03-2008, 09:04 PM #19
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This is ridiculous you guys complain about this and that and then you finisih it off with.. well my dwell is still sitting at 25 or 20... my gun cycles just fine at 10ms...??? hmmm.. tweak ur gun.. nubs
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