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Old 05-06-2003, 09:18 PM #22
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What about the reg spring stack thing?
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Old 05-08-2003, 02:00 AM #23
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What about the reg spring stack thing?
Results so far...
1. By flipping the bottom shim upside down, output went from the stock 1,000psi to approx. 800psi.

2. By removing the bottom shim, output pressure went down to 300psi.


Seeing those results, I went back to option #1. Btw, my new Angel Speed can shoot solid strings of paint w/o chopping.


More testing, more results tomorrow!
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Old 05-08-2003, 02:06 AM #24
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Or you can get rid of the POS minireg that can't hack it and buy a Sidewinder or something. Yeah you can lower your tank output........but it's still going into the stock reg.

Don't bend over backwards to cater to a poor design, replace the poor design with a better one(minireg to sidewinder).
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Old 05-08-2003, 02:13 AM #25
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Yeah, Timebomb warned that messing with the shims will increase the likelyhood of dropoff.

I've been looking into getting a different regulator, but I need one that's the size of the minireg. One that has the gas input at the bottom. And one that's capable of handling HP preset tanks. Does the Sidewinder meet the above criterias?
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Old 05-08-2003, 02:18 AM #26
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BTW, I'm doing all this testing under the advisement and supervision of a certified WDP supertech, John S.
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Old 05-08-2003, 04:08 PM #27
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ft: I use a sidewinder on my matrix with a HP output PE system. It works very well and regulates it down to wherever it needs to be.

I'd say it's a great reg.
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Old 05-09-2003, 04:45 PM #28
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so what's the update on the tank deal? No where around me has LP Tanks and i have practice tomorrow. Will a regular PE 68/45 tank work on a SPEED? What about Nitro Duck? Does nitroduck have a llower input pressure? Buying a different reg is not an option
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Update: PMI PureEnergy 68/4500 tank
Flipping over the bottom shim/spacer resulted in the output pressure changing from the stock 1,000psi down to 800psi. I've confirmed the output pressure to be 800psi by using 4 different high quality gauges at 3 different paintball stores. I tested the output pressure, by getting readings with a full tank of air (4,500psi) and checked it again after bleeding out the tank down to 2,000psi. I haven't had the time to check the output pressure when I completely remove the bottom shim/spacer from the reg's spring stack. More testing later in the week.



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ft: I use a sidewinder on my matrix with a HP output PE system. It works very well and regulates it down to wherever it needs to be.

I'd say it's a great reg.

Ok Ok, you both have gotten me looking into getting a new reg upgrade. I'll look into those Sidewinder regs. Now I wonder who I can ask to borrow one, to try it out. I like how the bottom part swivels and has the gas input there. You wouldn't happen to have a picture of your set up handy, would you?
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Old 05-09-2003, 05:23 PM #30
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couple quick pics I took.






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Old 05-09-2003, 05:41 PM #31
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what about a lp vigilante or Violator OR Messiah reg? Anything Air America basically? You think those could regulate the pressure down enough for a SPEED? without crazy shootdown?
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Old 05-16-2003, 03:30 PM #32
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couple quick pics I took.

Thanks for the high quality pics! I'm still looking around for a deal on one of these Sidewinders.



2advanced,
I'll go over what I did last week...
1. By flipping the bottom shim upside down, output went from the stock 1,000psi to approx. 800psi.

2. By removing the bottom shim, output pressure went down to 300psi.

Here are the latest updates...
It looks like getting the PMI PE 68/4500 tank to output at 800psi (that's option #1, flipping over the bottom shim) is low enough for the SPEED to work great!

These are my current settings...
Setting #1
Operating pressure: exactly at 350psi
LPR: 82 (two different Angel Tool Kit gauges were used to get this EXACT reading)
Dwell: 9
With these settings my Speed was shooting at approx. 285 fps



Other settings that were tested...
Setting #2
Operating pressure: exactly at 350psi
LPR: 82 (two different Angel Tool Kit gauges were used to get this EXACT reading)
Dwell: 10
With these settings my Speed was shooting at around 315 fps

Setting#3
Operating pressure: exactly at 350psi
LPR: 79 (two different Angel Tool Kit gauges were used to get this EXACT reading)
Dwell: 10
With these settings my Speed was shooting at around 285 fps

Setting #4
Operating pressure: exactly at 350psi
LPR: 79 (two different Angel Tool Kit gauges were used to get this EXACT reading)
Dwell: 11
With these settings my Speed was shooting at 314 fps

I was amazed at how the settings can affect the results so precisely. For now, I'll be sticking with setting #3. It's shooting great, no drop off, no chopping at all, even when it's in supermachinegun mode.


Last week, PMI started to distribute their LP drop in kits for the PMI PE tanks. They replace all the shims with a spring. I wonder why? Maybe that'll allow it to have a higher refreshrate similar to that of the Crossfire/ACI tanks? Anyway, they retail for $25 and you can only get it thru a dealer. I tried to order direct, but they wouldn't sell it to me. Do I want to shell out $50 (plus freight/tax) for my two tanks or try to find a Sidewinder?
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Old 05-16-2003, 03:45 PM #33
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Forgot to add one more thing. For those of you who are shooting hot because of your preset tank's high output pressure... check to make sure your preset isn't outputting OVER 1,000 psi like my P.E. tanks. By doing the Option #1 mod, I can now shoot as low as 180 fps (w/ dwell at 8 and by turning down the mini-reg).
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Old 05-16-2003, 03:57 PM #34
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guys, anything that doesn't exceed 900 will work, a certified angel tech said if you can't get lik ebelow 290, just lower your dwell.
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Old 05-16-2003, 04:05 PM #35
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FT57 thanks for all the indepth testing. I actually decided to can the PE system and get the AA Me'Lee that was redesigned for '02 to run on a 4500psi bottle. That system came at 800psi out of the box and was a lot less than the PE system.

However your testing will prove to be a valuable research tool to those that use a PE system. To my knowledge the PE bottles are the only systems that seem to be having problems with the speed.

I personally do not trust the 450psi input from the LP crossfire, even though numerous people have given me the green light through testing. I'm still a firm believer of 500-600 input.
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Old 05-17-2003, 03:16 AM #36
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Ok I've read this entire thread and first off thanks FT57 for all the info. Personally I wouldn't be putting a sidewinder on a new speed, not that they aren't good regs just that Im sure that WDP intened the WDP mini-reg to be on the marker and did all there testing with that reg. I have an older PE 68 3000psi and Im thinking about selling it when I get my Speed. I currenly have a 2k2 LCD that looks like that one guys who got that ACE that they showed on Warpig. Anyway what tank would be already PERFECT for the speed? A new PE with the LP spring kit? I don't want an adjustable, I had an Angel AIR but sold it because actually my PE screw in has given me nothing but GREAT performance. So what Tank would you suggest that has the right pre-set perfect for the speed? And I'd prefer a screw in not an adjustable.
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Old 05-19-2003, 08:35 PM #37
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we replaced the mini reg with an evil reg and now the gun flies. ditch the mini reg.
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Old 05-20-2003, 08:12 PM #38
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So can I use my Crossfire preset 850 psi output on the speed?
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Old 05-21-2003, 06:38 PM #39
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So can I use my Crossfire preset 850 psi output on the speed?
Yes, you should be able to do that with no problems at all
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Old 05-21-2003, 06:40 PM #40
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If your velocity is too high, then lower your dwell or lower your lpr. It's all in the settings.
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Old 05-23-2003, 01:10 AM #41
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how about a dye throttle preset?
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Old 08-18-2003, 02:27 AM #42
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I picked up a sidewinder for my speed after I could not get it to shoot below 304 fps (at factory settings). The small size looks to be comparable to the speed's mini reg, and there is also some room to spare without it looking awkward as the mini reg is about 1/2" shorter than the grip frame. I'll let everyone know how that works out and get some pics up asap.
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