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Old 07-05-2007, 11:36 AM #43
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...We were dead before we were born ...
could you elaborate on this a bit more? interesting.
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could you elaborate on this a bit more? interesting.
I think he intended to mean we did not exist before we were born and thus relates not existing to after death also.
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I think he intended to mean we did not exist before we were born and thus relates not existing to after death also.
ahh - okay. that makes more sense, if that is what he was saying.
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Meh, come what may. I'd rather be in Hell than nonexistent.
(you should of said heaven)


QFT QFT QFT QFT... I have been trippen out on LIFE lately about what is going to happen. I would HATE to be NON-EXISTANT as I enjoy LIFE soooo MUCH.
I put my faith in God, and accept Jesus as my savior, HOWEVER I have overlooked death NOT in a more realistic way, but as far as WORLD THINKING.


When you die...majority image of death is you rise from your body in spirit form, go up to heaven and be judged. (PERSAY).

HOWEVER in the Bible it states that JESUS dies AND THEN RAISES FROM THE DEAD IN 3 DAYS.

WHAT THE HECK WAS HE DOING FOR THOSE 3 DAYS?!?! BEEING NON-EXISTANT??? THAT SUCKS. IT REALLY DOES. I know the bible says that he was doing something important, but if I raise from the dead in 3 days, WHAT AM I GOING TO BE DOING?!?! beeing NON-EXISTANT? NO WAY IN HELL DO I WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. I WOULD LOVE for God to judge me. I feel in my heart that, THATS what should happen when you pass. But I feel in my heart, THAT when you sleep...beeing "fallen asleep" IS WHAT DEATH is going to feel like.... AM I MAKING SENSE?


IN OTHER WORDS...
I am scared to sleep. And I am scared to sleep because I feel that when you are "fallen asleep" IT IS JUST A CLUE of what it feels like to be dead.. The feeling of NON-EXISTANCE....I could use some help.

Im a sane person who just feels like sleeping is a clue to the relavance to death. which is why It makes it HARD for me to believe in heaven or hell. I believe in both and I believe that its possible to happen. But since I feel like I HAVE a clue of whats going to happen, that heaven or hell isnt going to happen to ME. Just deep sleep. NON-existance, AND I DO NOT want that to happen. But why do I believe it?
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nah dude, im perfectly fine. I can sleep properly but its just a "WHAT - IF "
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It's just all the caps lock, run-ons, and underlines lol. Got me a little worried.
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I just dont wanna be mis-understood. but do you have anything to say about how I feel?...........critisize all you want, because I am puzzled.
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Well why do you feel that sleep is what death is? What experience or information have you gotten to prove this to you? Perhaps it's simply a feeling you are having concocted by your brain. Just an idea.
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Well why do you feel that sleep is what death is? What experience or information have you gotten to prove this to you? Perhaps it's simply a feeling you are having concocted by your brain. Just an idea.


Because in other peoples' oppinion of what death is, it is to be non-existant.
I feel that when you are fallen asleep. Your state of mind is non-existant. Which is why I feel that is a clue of what death is. You are physically here because your heart is pumping, therefore your alive. But where are you spiritually as you are sleeping? Only answer this if you believe that you have a spirit.
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Because in other peoples' oppinion of what death is, it is to be non-existant.
I feel that when you are fallen asleep. Your state of mind is non-existant. Which is why I feel that is a clue of what death is. You are physically here because your heart is pumping, therefore your alive. But where are you spiritually as you are sleeping? Only answer this if you believe that you have a spirit.
I have to disagree that your state of mind is non-existant when you sleep. Your mind is very active during sleep, thus dreams.

When you are sleeping you are in a "sedated" state of mind.
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I have to disagree that your state of mind is non-existant when you sleep. Your mind is very active during sleep, thus dreams.

When you are sleeping you are in a "sedated" state of mind.

Ok your right, But whats happening when I don't dream?
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Because in other peoples' oppinion of what death is, it is to be non-existant.
I feel that when you are fallen asleep. Your state of mind is non-existant. Which is why I feel that is a clue of what death is. You are physically here because your heart is pumping, therefore your alive. But where are you spiritually as you are sleeping? Only answer this if you believe that you have a spirit.
State of mind is not non-existant during sleep. Your brain is still processing information and it is still at work. Mood, feelings, and sensory-perception are all at work even while you sleep. The state of sleep cannot be what death is since that state requires the functions of the brain and nervous system.

EDIT: When you don't dream, your brain is still at work. Like I said, processing information, reacting to temperature, etc.
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Ok your right, But whats happening when I don't dream?
Maybe you just do not remember your dreams.

http://www.sleepfoundation.org/site/..._You_Sleep.htm

Read that.
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State of mind is not non-existant during sleep. Your brain is still processing information and it is still at work. Mood, feelings, and sensory-perception are all at work even while you sleep. The state of sleep cannot be what death is since that state requires the functions of the brain and nervous system.

ok maybe I said it wrong. Please let me rephrase this.

Even tho your body is processing normally. Heart pumping, brain processing information and still working. When you are fallen asleep, can you think of anything you want to think about?

When you are in deeeeep sleep, dreamless sleeep. Where are you spiritually?..to me, thats the feeling of non-existance, which is why when I wake up, It only takes like half a second for me to just wake up when I fall asleep.

edit: Like I mentioned earlier, only answer if you believe you have a spirit.
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You can in fact train yourself to control your state of mind during sleep.

When you are in deep sleep and are not dreaming, that part of the sleep cycle is still controlled by brain functions. It is not possible without the active work of your brain. Any experience during sleep, whether it be void of dreams or not, is controlled by the brain.
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I have been able to control dreams to a certain extent in the past. There are times when you know you are dreaming, yet you cannot change or control what is happening in said dream.

Where is your "spirit" when you are awake?
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you're always dreaming, you just don't remember them because you can have hundreds-thousands of dreams while you sleep.

i think non existanse would probably be more like...
before birth?
seems like the only time non existance could happen(if you believe in an afterlife, that is)

and yes, your first post looked like you had a sugar-high or somthing lol.
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You can in fact train yourself to control your state of mind during sleep.

When you are in deep sleep and are not dreaming, that part of the sleep cycle is still controlled by brain functions. It is not possible without the active work of your brain. Any experience during sleep, whether it be void of dreams or not, is controlled by the brain.
You are probably right. I am not asking to be right. I am asking to be wrong.

But can you imagin that when you wake up the next morning, not knowing what you did while you slept feels like? that IN between split second of beeing awake.. beeing asleep, and then beeing awake feels like?..to me what I just said did not make sense, but thats the best way I can interpret it.

I feel alot better though.
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I have been able to control dreams to a certain extent in the past. There are times when you know you are dreaming, yet you cannot change or control what is happening in said dream.

Where is your "spirit" when you are awake?

my spirit is in my body. It is the reason why I see what I SEE and HOW I SEE THINGS in my personal oppinion. My brain and my eyes is the nuts and bolts of how it works.
My spirit is my personality, the reason why I am who I am. My spirit is my existance.
IT is the pilot of the airplane.

thats the only way I can say it.
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my spirit is in my body. It is the reason why I see what I SEE and HOW I SEE THINGS in my personal oppinion. My brain and my eyes is the nuts and bolts of how it works.
My spirit is my personality, the reason why I am who I am. My spirit is my existance.
IT is the pilot of the airplane.

thats the only way I can say it.
So why would you think this "spirit" leaves when you are sleeping?
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