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Old 07-04-2007, 10:37 AM #43
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No, because what the insurgents in iraq are doing has absolutely nothing to do with religion. It's about pushing invading forces off of the land that they are occupying. You know, like the revolutionary war?

Anybody who is killing innocent people in the name of Islam is not a muslim. Look in the Qur'an and show me one place where Islam tells to kill innocent people
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Old 07-04-2007, 10:54 AM #44
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"Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."
Qur'an, Sura 9:5
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Honestly, most of the "insurgents" aren't even from Iraq. A good portion of them are Syrians and Iranians trying to keep things stirred up.
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"Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."
Qur'an, Sura 9:5
Explain that please.
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Anyone with a familiarity with the Qu'ran. Anyone who is Muslim. I've seen several quotes from the book that deal with slaughtering infidels. I've weeded out the fake ones made up by radical Christian pastors, but I still have found that there are several, like this one, that are real. Perhaps I am misunderstanding them, but it seems very plausible that some Muslims might interpret them as advocating the mass murder of non-Muslims.
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"Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."
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Anyone with a familiarity with the Qu'ran. Anyone who is Muslim. I've seen several quotes from the book that deal with slaughtering infidels. I've weeded out the fake ones made up by radical Christian pastors, but I still have found that there are several, like this one, that are real. Perhaps I am misunderstanding them, but it seems very plausible that some Muslims might interpret them as advocating the mass murder of non-Muslims.
I agree with you. Maybe we can bring it into the "lets talk Islam" thread.
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Really, this concept isnt hard to imagine. All "isms" are based on a social construction that has chose to be accepted due to various reasons(A common trend seems to be hierarchy). For example, look at sexism, or racism. htose depend on the believe of Sex (Gender) and race. Gender is nothing more than the separation of human beings due to differerent physical anatomys. Or we define, again, human beings because of where they live, like it makes them a different person. however...

This would only be my social utopia, for, on the same guidelines of capitalism, people have the need or the urge to separate adn one-up themselves. They dont want to be associated with "lower class" humans. unfortunatly.





BTW, this could be nihlism, could not be. depends how you want to look at the term nihlism.
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"Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."
Qur'an, Sura 9:5
Nice job taking it out of context *******. That was a surah that tells the Muslims who are in battle to kill the people attacking them. The "unbelievers" are the soldiers who are trying to kill them because they are muslim. Like I said, I can post millions of quotes that says not to kill any innocent people, all which are in context. That particular quote is telling the muslims who are in battle to kill the non-believers that are trying to kill them. Pretty much common sense, huh?
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Nice job taking it out of context *******. That was a surah that tells the Muslims who are in battle to kill the people attacking them. The "unbelievers" are the soldiers who are trying to kill them because they are muslim. Like I said, I can post millions of quotes that says not to kill any innocent people, all which are in context. That particular quote is telling the muslims who are in battle to kill the non-believers that are trying to kill them. Pretty much common sense, huh?
Oh ok. That seems pretty logical. Thanks for clearing it up. I always get confused when I hear a quote like that from the Qu'ran. I have also heard of a command to all Muslims to fight the infidels and take back the Muslim Empire. Is there any truth to this? Basically, the terrorists want to restore Islam to the empire that Muhammad built which spanned across the middle east, north africa, and europe.
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If you remove all the "isms" of the world, people will still find a reason to fight and kill each other. To believe otherwise is foolish.

People dont kill each other BECAUSE of religion. It's just the excuse they use to cover up the real reason... usually land and or power.
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without jealousy or greed it would rule out a lot of wars
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If you remove all the "isms" of the world, people will still find a reason to fight and kill each other. To believe otherwise is foolish.

People dont kill each other BECAUSE of religion. It's just the excuse they use to cover up the real reason... usually land and or power.
very true.. but for intence the israel's and palestinian are fighting over land.. one religon says the land is theres and the other says its theres..
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When I looked at Surah 9:5 my Quran (which is only an english translation) says: But when the forbidden (four) months are over then fight and kill the (distrusted) pagans wherever you find them, and catch them, attack them, and stay waiting for them in every stage (of war); But if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then make it easy for them: Verily, Allah is Often Forgiving, Most Merciful
9.6 continues: If one of the pagan asks you for a place of safety give it to him, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Quran); And then take him to where he can be safe. That is because they are men without knowledge.

I'm assuming, CP, that you got your "quote" off the internet where many people have their own agendas. You must also remember that in the early times of Islam, Muslims were ran out of town (Mecca, at the time) and they had to fight the unbelievers to defend themselves from pretty consistent hate and attacks.
There will still be those influential Muslims who taint the true word for their own reasons. Probably because they hate western society. I would consider anyone who claims 9/11 and terrorism in general is a good thing, not a true Muslim.
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