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View Poll Results: c02 or not.....what's your take?
NO, do not use co2 with the vs markers 362 52.92%
YES, use c02 with the vs markers 100 14.62%
NO/YES......who cares? it's your funeral 222 32.46%
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Old 05-28-2007, 09:36 PM #1
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Exclamation the ultimate VS2 & VS3 on C02 thread.....the final word is here

there are quite a few topics that come up frequently. as of recently, there must be at least 10 threads per day on this same topic. to try to spare everyone the redundancy, i feel this topic is certainly sticky worthy. please ask your questions and give your answers here from now on. if a thread pops up, please refer them to this sticky for their answer. i will from now on, close all other threads touching on this topic.

my personal view is, the manufacturer strongly suggests using hpa with both lp markers. i hear some mention that they use c02 so they must think kingman is wrong by making this suggestion. i'm quite sure if you do use c02 you're going to run into problems somewhere down the line so why press the issue? use hpa with these 2 markers! if you want to use c02, convert a different spyder to low pressure using components such as the palmer's stabe that handle c02 well.

i've even provided a poll to view with this thread for the convenience of those in particular inquiring, concerning this subject.
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Old 05-28-2007, 09:45 PM #2
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its not like theres any pnumatic(sp) parts in it that will be destroyed from co2, it will just wont operate to its full potential

use co2 if you want, but hpa is rougly the same cost for a tank and makes that much of a difference
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Old 05-28-2007, 10:09 PM #3
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I think HPA is a much better way to go, but it's not ENTIRELY needed. Some people have trouble with co2, some don't. If people feel the need to use co2, then it's their gun and their time they'll be wasting trying to maintain the o-rings and changing them out all the time.
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Old 05-29-2007, 02:04 PM #4
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you can use co2 with the vs's but its bad for the gun since its a low pressure and everyone i know that used it once broke the gun so we took it to the shop and they said the co2 wont work good. its able to use co2 but its almost impossible to use it without a gun problem. get compressed air.
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Old 05-29-2007, 04:31 PM #5
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the stock reg does not work well with co2. however the gun will work fine on it with a proper regulator. at 200 psi co2 is as much a gas as hpa is. keep liquid from reaching the reg an you wont have problems.
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Old 05-29-2007, 04:38 PM #6
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Old 05-29-2007, 04:38 PM #7
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HPA is preffered, but under the right conditions, it is acceptable to run CO2.

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Old 05-29-2007, 04:42 PM #8
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its ur funeral i say. up to the user if they think its worth the risk go for it,
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Old 05-29-2007, 04:45 PM #9
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kingman says to use only hpa with the vs series
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Old 05-29-2007, 06:44 PM #10
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Listen to the manufacturer. HPA is highly recommended, but hey, you wanna kill your gun, go for it.
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Old 05-29-2007, 09:43 PM #11
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My friend used co2 in his vs2 thinking it wouldnt hurt it, now everytime we go...he has to rebuild and lube his reg atleast twice, it leaks pretty much whenever it feels like it just go with hpa and you will have no problems
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:52 PM #12
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I've been waiting for you to make one of these threads.

My advice in a nutshell: if you don't know how to change valve orings or if you don't want to miss a game to change them, then only use HPA; if you can't get HPA filled in your area you shouldn't even buy a VS2/3.
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Old 05-30-2007, 12:07 AM #13
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thanks for finally getting it out lamorte
Get HPA for your VS
trust me ive had personal experience with it
even though hpa is much more expensive it will be worth it
before i got my HPA tank i was playing with co2 one time even co2 blew out of every single nook and cranny of my gun
i had to rebuild everything and change my orings
i hated it !

P.S. GET A HPA TANK!
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Old 05-30-2007, 07:03 AM #14
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im pretty sure you can but youre advised not to, because it messes up the marker eventually
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Old 05-30-2007, 02:19 PM #15
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Thank you so much for posting this. I was about to blow my brains out if I saw another "Co2 + Vs2" thread!!! You are my hero, lamorte!
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Old 05-30-2007, 05:58 PM #16
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only use c02 if u no how to chnage o-rings
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Old 05-30-2007, 06:47 PM #17
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I wish I had my hands on a VS to extensively test on Co2. I really see no reason why it wouldn't work great on A/S Co2, but still some users say it didn't work well. To me that doesn't make sense, but I won't know until I try one.
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Old 05-30-2007, 08:34 PM #18
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Some people have problems, others don't. It's really just a touch and go thing. I don't really recommend trying it out. To me it's just not worth the trouble to try out an air source that might not work if there's another air source that I'm positive will work.
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Old 05-30-2007, 08:46 PM #19
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Now all we need is a huge thread that says ROCKING TRIGGERS ARE YOUR OWN OPINION. and anyone that asks again is gonna get the banhammer(tm)
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:09 PM #20
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Wy all the confusion its simple

K look its right on the kingman website the VS2 and 3 will not operate properly with CO² so dont use it however you can but the vs1 which will work with co2 as amatter of fact I have a vs1 and it works great on both CO² and air. Oh n yes it uses every last drop of CO² unlike a lot of older high pressure Spyders
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:13 PM #21
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There are two main power sources used to propel a paintball out of a
paintball gun - Carbon Dioxide (CO2) and Nitrogen/High Pressure Air
(N2/HPA). Both are very common and each has its pros and cons.

Carbon Dioxide, more commonly know as CO2, is the most commonly used
propellant due mainly to the fact it is fairly inexpensive and has been
around since the beginning of the sport. Its main disadvantage is its
sensitivity to temperature. As a CO2 tank warms up or cools down the
available pressure either rises or falls. For a paint gun, differences
in pressure mean inconsistent velocities.

This sensitivity to temperature is due to the fact that CO2 is stored as
a liquid. The gaseous form of CO2 used by the paint gun is formed when
some it "boils off". The tank containing the gas is a fixed volume.
Since there is a direct relationship between temperature and pressure,
an increase in temperature causes a corresponding increase in pressure:
The pressure increases because no more liquid can turn into a gas and a
higher velocity results.

CO2 can also enter the gun in its liquid state under certain conditions
like sustained rapid firing. On some guns, the sub-zero temperature of
the liquid CO2 causes O-rings and air seals to freeze which disrupts
normal operation. Equipment such as expansion chambers, anti-siphon
tanks, and remotes help negate this effect.

Nitrogen and High Pressure Air systems, commonly called Nitro and HPA,
are the most prevalent alternatives to CO2. While any inert gas (like
Argon) will work, Nitrogen and HPA are the cheapest and most readily
available. Since Nitrogen and HPA are stored in their natural gaseous
state and not liquid, they are not susceptible to the thermal problems
described above. A Nitrogen/HPA equipped paintball gun will perform
consistently regardless of temperature and weather conditions.
Nitrogen/HPA has almost completely eliminated velocity fluctuations. The
only drawback is that Nitrogen systems costs more and some fields do not
have the capability to refill the tanks.

(paintball gear.ca)
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