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Old 05-20-2007, 03:44 PM #85
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Could you quote a passage to back that up? Remember the Adam and Eve story? Eve ate the fruit from the tree of life, which went against God's command=sin. God did not create us as sinners in the beginning. Because of our abuse of free will, sin became a part of us
So you agree that everyone except Adam and Eve was created a sinner?
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So you agree that everyone except Adam and Eve was created a sinner?
And Jesus, yes, but that does not mean that god created sin
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And Jesus, yes, but that does not mean that god created sin
I never said he did.
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K, your 18. want a cookie?

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K, your 18. want a cookie?
I edited^^

And FYI, I'm a Junior in college.
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I never said he did.
Sorry typo. That does not mean that he created us as sinners
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And FYI, I'm a Junior in college.
but your 18?
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but your 18?
Yep, mid Aug birthday and I finished high school a year early.

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Sorry typo. That does not mean that he created us as sinners
Doesn't the Bible say we are all sinners?
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And Jesus, yes, but that does not mean that god created sin
Actually, assuming that god is real, he/she/it did make sin by making rules for us to follow (aka don't eat the damn apple). If we didnt have rules to abide by they couldnt be broken and there would be no sin
If i have taken what you said the wrong way please inform me because i havent read the whole thread
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Actually, assuming that god is real, he/she/it did make sin by making rules for us to follow (aka don't eat the damn apple). If we didnt have rules to abide by they couldnt be broken and there would be no sin
If i have taken what you said the wrong way please inform me because i havent read the whole thread
That is a good point but it is incorrect. He made rules ofr us to follow. By breaking those rules, sin was created

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Doesn't the Bible say we are all sinners?
Yes, but I dont see how that means that God created us as sinners because Adam and Eve were sinless until they ate the fruit
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That is a good point but it is incorrect. He made rules ofr us to follow. By breaking those rules, sin was created



Yes, but I dont see how that means that God created us as sinners because Adam and Eve were sinless until they ate the fruit
Doesn't the Bible also say that we pay for our own sins, not the ones of our fathers?
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That is a good point but it is incorrect. He made rules ofr us to follow. By breaking those rules, sin was created
Exactly and if he hadn't made the rules in the first place for us to follow they couldnt have been broken, and we wouldnt be going against gods word because there would be none, hence no sin. So because he/she/it made the rules in the first place he/she/it gave us the ability to sin.
(again assuming that god is real)
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Exactly and if he hadn't made the rules in the first place for us to follow they couldnt have been broken, and we wouldnt be going against gods word because there would be none, hence no sin. So because he/she/it made the rules in the first place he/she/it gave us the ability to sin.
(again assuming that god is real)
Exaclty. Freewill again, giving us the ability to sin but God did not create sin
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Exaclty. Freewill again, giving us the ability to sin but God did not create sin
There is a big difference between making and commiting sin. By making rules god inadvertantly created the opposite of them, sin. Even if we did not break the rules god created sin by creating the rules. True, humans commit sin and in theory we dont have to, but god created it by creating the ability to.
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There is a big difference between making and commiting sin. By making rules god inadvertantly created the opposite of them, sin. Even if we did not break the rules god created sin by creating the rules. True, humans commit sin and in theory we dont have to, but god created it by creating the ability to.
So your saying God created sin by telling Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of life?
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So your saying God created sin by telling Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of life?
Yes he created it because if he hadn't said it they couldn't have sinned. But they commited sin by breaking the rule.
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If you consider your god omnipotent than you must admit he created sin as he knows everything. This in knowing everything you know what everyone will do, and since you created everything you are the creator of said sin. Thus there is no free will and god is the creator of sin. He is the puppetmaster who created his puppets.
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If you consider your god omnipotent than you must admit he created sin as he knows everything. This in knowing everything you know what everyone will do, and since you created everything you are the creator of said sin. Thus there is no free will and god is the creator of sin. He is the puppetmaster who created his puppets.
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Doesn't the Bible also say that we pay for our own sins, not the ones of our fathers?
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If you consider your god omnipotent than you must admit he created sin as he knows everything. This in knowing everything you know what everyone will do, and since you created everything you are the creator of said sin. Thus there is no free will and god is the creator of sin. He is the puppetmaster who created his puppets.
I dunno but theres a gap in between
God knows what we are going to do, and God "makes" us do things.

Although I don't know how to answer the first part. God is omnipotent, but by no means does that mean he has to of created sin. Omnipotent means "without limits" or "all powerful" not "creator of everything". (Even though I do believe he created everything in the beginning) As said earlier, by creating light, there is also dark. You can't have light without dark. There must always be that contrast. Good wouldn't be "good" if there was no such thing as evil. Just as wet wouldn't be "wetness" without dryness". There is a saying that God is the potter and we are the clay, which has somewhat of a connection between puppet and puppet master (I guess...) Which means as the potter, God may have an impact on us, as he should.

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