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Old 05-16-2007, 10:27 PM #1
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Christopher Hitchens on H&C

I just finished watching Hannity & Colmes and the last segment featured Hitchens an Atheist and author of God is not Great, and someone less memorable unfortunately The debate centered around comment's Hitchens had made following the Rev. Jerry Falwell's death (Hitchens had less than favorable remarks about Falwell when he was alive). Granted we are all entitled to our opinions of a person but I ask in the time following a persons death this wouldn't it be better to do as your mother said if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all, or would that be going against a persons free speech.

IMHO Hitchens came off as being arrogant, and basically a cold hearted arse.
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Old 05-16-2007, 10:49 PM #2
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I just finished watching Hannity & Colmes and the last segment featured Hitchens an Atheist and author of God is not Great, and someone less memorable unfortunately The debate centered around comment's Hitchens had made following the Rev. Jerry Falwell's death (Hitchens had less than favorable remarks about Falwell when he was alive). Granted we are all entitled to our opinions of a person but I ask in the time following a persons death this wouldn't it be better to do as your mother said if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all, or would that be going against a persons free speech.

IMHO Hitchens came off as being arrogant, and basically a cold hearted arse.
Not at all, Hitchens is dead on right...

Falwell was a moraly bankrupt, corrupt, evil, downright nasty person. Why would someone like that deserve any kind of pitty now that he is gone?
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Hitchens has his opinions as you have yours but there is a time and place for everything IMO he has every right to dislike someone, but I find him to be rude and insensitive. Put yourself in Falwells familys shoes, would you not be upset by his comments?
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Hitchens has his opinions as you have yours but there is a time and place for everything IMO he has every right to dislike someone, but I find him to be rude and insensitive. Put yourself in Falwells familys shoes, would you not be upset by his comments?
Did falwells family care when he atacked gays, and lesbians on tv? Did they care when he spewed the racist and hate filled comments after 9/11?

I don't realy give a rats butt about his familys fealings, they had their chance to show they were human and failed.
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ouch... I feel like people like this cross the line. Just like that crazy church (can't remember their names) that protest soldiers deaths and gays deaths at their funerals. I don't think you would feel that that is ok do you overbear?
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ouch... I feel like people like this cross the line. Just like that crazy church (can't remember their names) that protest soldiers deaths and gays deaths at their funerals. I don't think you would feel that that is ok do you overbear?
You are trying to compare a group that goes to funerals and protests, to someone speeking his mind about a guy who died. A guy I remind you who has in the past bashed many people, creeds, colors, genders, and sexual orentaitons?

are you nuts
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You are trying to compare a group that goes to funerals and protests, to someone speeking his mind about a guy who died. A guy I remind you who has in the past bashed many people, creeds, colors, genders, and sexual orentaitons?

are you nuts
I think they are wrong by doing it, but I believe in their warped minds, it is ok. You could say that the funeral protesters were just speaking their minds about the person who died. What I am saying is everyone has their standards of what is over the line and what isn't. I believe he crossed the line and not caring about somebodies family seems mean to me. However, I am nuts

I'm not saying that Falwell was perfect, or even close to it. I actually know very little about him other than what I've seen on television to be honest.
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After watching the vid, I don't see waht you are referring to unless there is a second part.

How is it that you feel compelled to make this thread and I don't think a single person made a thread about the media showing the tapes the VT shooter made?

is this the vid you're talking about?
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I watched last nights H & C brodcast 5/16/05 and Im not refering to any video.

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How is it that you feel compelled to make this thread and I don't think a single person made a thread about the media showing the tapes the VA shooter made

My point isnt the media, its the lack of compassion some people show to others even if you didn't like the person. I dont belive people should make derogatory remarks about the dead, especially a day after thier death.
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Did falwells family care when he atacked gays, and lesbians on tv? Did they care when he spewed the racist and hate filled comments after 9/11?

I don't realy give a rats butt about his familys fealings, they had their chance to show they were human and failed.
Falwell made his apologies several times weather you choose to accept them or not is up too you.
How many chances do you give people to show thier humanity Over?, How many times have you ever been less than human in your life.... just curious.
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The problem is that his apologies were not heartfelt. He really meant what he said after 9/11 and all the fake apologies were PR bullcrap. The man was an evil, wretched monster. I didn't shed a tear when Saddam died, why should I shed one or show respect for a person who belongs in the same group?
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Falwell made his apologies several times weather you choose to accept them or not is up too you.
How many chances do you give people to show thier humanity Over?, How many times have you ever been less than human in your life.... just curious.
as warbreak pointed out, the apologies were just PR spin control and nothing more. He had his chance many times, and he showed his lack of compassion and humanity every time.

As to myself, I would like to hope I have never let my humanity slip. I try very hard to be a good person, I am a bit judgemental of others, especialy when they stray from the course of humanity, but hell even I am not perfect
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I didn't shed a tear when Saddam died, why should I shed one or show respect for a person who belongs in the same group?
But no one is asking you to shed a tear, just asking that people not be jerks about his passing.

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as warbreak pointed out, the apologies were just PR spin control and nothing more. He had his chance many times, and he showed his lack of compassion and humanity every time.

As to myself, I would like to hope I have never let my humanity slip. I try very hard to be a good person, I am a bit judgemental of others, especialy when they stray from the course of humanity, but hell even I am not perfect
See above. So now you're not perfect when you have said you are in the past (with regards to sin)?
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But no one is asking you to shed a tear, just asking that people not be jerks about his passing.
why? what is so special about him that we should so any respect?
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why? what is so special about him that we should so any respect?
none. But that is no reason to be such a dweeb about someone's death. For clarification, I didn't like the guy very much, but I really did not know much about him (other than what the media showed/portrayed).
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as warbreak pointed out, the apologies were just PR spin control and nothing more. He had his chance many times, and he showed his lack of compassion and humanity every time.
I disagree here the man applogized and only he knows if he was sincere, as for his lack of compassion I think Falwell has shown compassion many times as he's helped out more than a few people in various situations. He may have disagreed with certain groups of people but thats just life.

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As to myself, I would like to hope I have never let my humanity slip. I try very hard to be a good person, I am a bit judgemental of others, especialy when they stray from the course of humanity, but hell even I am not perfect
Thank you for realizing this and thats all I was trying to point out, dont get me wrong Im by no means perfect.
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none. But that is no reason to be such a dweeb about someone's death. For clarification, I didn't like the guy very much, but I really did not know much about him (other than what the media showed/portrayed).
Exactly, Hitchens has stated that he didn't care what Falwell's family thought, or if thier feelings were hurt, and thats his prerogative. I personally find that to be very rude.

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Exactly, Hitchens has stated that he didn't care what Falwell's family thought, or if thier feelings were hurt, and thats his prerogative. I personally find that to be very rude.
Now don't get me wrong here, I am not saying I am going to go to falwell's grave and piss on it. Howver I have to agree with hitchens view that his familys fealings don't mean a thing. That the family had their chance to stand up and be counted, and they were...among falwell's folowers not among the rest of humanity.
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Now don't get me wrong here, I am not saying I am going to go to falwell's grave and piss on it. Howver I have to agree with hitchens view that his familys fealings don't mean a thing. That the family had their chance to stand up and be counted, and they were...among falwell's folowers not among the rest of humanity.
So you would do what they would do, so what are showing but being equal to them in hateful views? Isn't one of your "humanity" traits to be the bigger person here?
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So you would do what they would do, so what are showing but being equal to them in hateful views? Isn't one of your "humanity" traits to be the bigger person here?
I fail to see how talking bad about the dead equates to inhumanity. Your drawing a parallel that is a bit absurd don't you think?
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