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Old 04-10-2007, 09:47 AM #22
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"Mean IQ vs religion by Country"

if you had read the title everything works out. The average IQ in a developed country should theoretically be 100, and 40 countries seems like an adequate sample to me.
Ah, I didn't even see that. Thanks, it makes much more sense now.
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Old 04-10-2007, 11:11 AM #23
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Then, once again, we can agree to disagree
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I guess my IQ dropped when I became religious... EDIT wait it doe's that every time I enter ST:R
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Old 04-10-2007, 12:13 PM #26
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I guess my IQ dropped when I became religious... EDIT wait it doe's that every time I enter ST:R
I huv bin in ST;R four to llong than.....

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Old 04-10-2007, 12:59 PM #27
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That's people of low-end intelligence anyways. The highest IQ charted isn't even 110. Not to mention the fact that only 40 people are charted. Also, the data collected means nothing without explaining where these people were from.

Worthless in every way, really.
Its charting the average IQ of 40 countries.

But that in itself shows its skewed. A large enough sample from each country will yield the same average IQ.
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Its charting the average IQ of 40 countries.

But that in itself shows its skewed. A large enough sample from each country will yield the same average IQ.
Plus why they chose those countries to plot (assuming they polled ONLY those 40 countries) and not some other poor countries to see if the pattern held.

Yes, a small sample rate can yield varying data and data patterns.

Question, I see 3 distinct groups (grouped at the high IQ end, mid and low) does make the US an anomaly or did they have a higher sample rate, or what is going on to distinguish it from other countries?
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Old 04-10-2007, 05:46 PM #30
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i guess people that are religious aren't so open
the only thing about this is yes there are close minded people, but to say that someone is close minded without exploring all of a certain sterotyped group is also close minded..
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Im a believer and I have an above average IQ......
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I don't think these types of studies are trying to convey that the religious groups are close minded or are characterized by stupid followers. Rather, its part of an effort to convince people that the majority of areas where religion is not a predominant aspect of society, people possess more intellectual capabilities and are essentially more intellectually developed. Many venture to say, and I think it is the implication of even a graph such as this one, that in essence: 'smart/intellectual people are typically atheists/anti-religion'.
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...in essence: 'smart/intellectual people are typically atheists/anti-religion'.
typically, but thankfully not completely.
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its funny that the Pew Global Attitudes Project is co chaired by a roman catholic, Madeleine K. Albright, and is principled by former Sen. John Danforth, a republican episcopalian who graduated from princeton and went on to graduate school at yale for divinity and law, not to shabby for lower closed minded people..

Kudos to the PEW project though, for not being biased it seems, however i would like to know how and who obtained that opinion poll data and how they chose sampling, and from where. also, where is the exact site for that poll, i cant find it on their website, i wanna look into all that
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Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) scores are the test results of representative samples of 15-years olds, tested in 2003

thats from the bottom of that sight..

tests are typically administered to between 4,500 and 10,000 students in each country.


thats from PISA, what i was taught (government class), is that a sample of 1000 has a +/- buffer of only around 3%, so thats a pretty darn good sample.

but do you think most of the world consists of 15 year olds? but that can swing both ways, for or against this survey
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I don't think these types of studies are trying to convey that the religious groups are close minded or are characterized by stupid followers. Rather, its part of an effort to convince people that the majority of areas where religion is not a predominant aspect of society, people possess more intellectual capabilities and are essentially more intellectually developed. Many venture to say, and I think it is the implication of even a graph such as this one, that in essence: 'smart/intellectual people are typically atheists/anti-religion'.
I would argue though, that "close minded" and "ignorant" are used interchangeably by some. So in essence, to the audience (in this case the thread reader), it would be equal to conveying ignorance and religion going hand in hand.

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Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) scores are the test results of representative samples of 15-years olds, tested in 2003

thats from the bottom of that sight..

tests are typically administered to between 4,500 and 10,000 students in each country.


thats from PISA, what i was taught (government class), is that a sample of 1000 has a +/- buffer of only around 3%, so thats a pretty darn good sample.

but do you think most of the world consists of 15 year olds? but that can swing both ways, for or against this survey
Interesting. Typically 15 years of age is when teens begin to take interest in other matters besides faith. So it be biased in sampling people of an age group predisposed to ignoring faith and experimenting with self indulgent practices (basically anything BUT faith).

Actually that last sentence might not be 100% accurate, but it is the stereotypical teens motive for existence, IMO.
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I believe the nonreligious are smarter only because of their nature and generally liberal raising. I have seen very smart religious people. I dont know if i buy this graph.
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Religion plays a giant role in my parents lives and many would consider them near-genius.
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Old 04-10-2007, 08:16 PM #40
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look at C.S. lewis, but yeah, i agree with you that teen years are not the best time to be sampling about beliefs
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haha, by definition the average person from:

(mean IQ in quotes)

Angola (69)
Mali (68)
Nigeria (67)
Senegal (64)


Is mentally retarded....

[One common criterion for diagnosis of mental retardation is a tested intelligence quotient (IQ) of 70 or below.]
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