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Old 04-06-2007, 04:33 PM #22
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im with you threadstarter, it is wrong for your parents to ground you if you dont want to go to church and have beliefs shoved down your throat, especially in the catholic church, i was raised catholic too and know what its like going to catholic school and church twice a week for as long as you can remeber and repeating the same prayers over and over that have been drilled into you since you were 4

i know this is extreme, but look what just going along and mindlessly believing what your parents do did to these kids.... participating out of respect!?!?!?!?!
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Old 04-06-2007, 04:34 PM #23
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Why bingo, I've been posting the same line of rhetoric that the religious have.
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Here's a thought -

You take their money - right?

Do you pay rent? Do you pay for your food? Do you pay for utlilities?

If you can't take two hours out of your day to do something they find meaninful as a family -

move out on your own - then you can do what you want.

That might sound rough, but it's the truth.
Last I checked, it's a parents legal and moral responsibility to care for the well being of their children until they are 18. It's not a gift, it's your JOB. Don't like that? Don't have kids.

On to the original topic: I told my dad I wasn't going to church anymore. He respected my decision and let it ride. That's my dad, not yours. My experience is different so to everyone who's comparing their parents to the OPs, stop.

In my opinion, just stop going. It's worth a 'grounding' to stop having to spend two to three hours in mental anguish tolerating something you hate. There's no good reason to mentally torture yourself for your parents lack of understanding. If they don't respect you enough to let you believe your own beliefs, they don't deserve this 'respect' everyone in here keeps babbling about.
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sucks dude just do what i did... kill them
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On to the original topic: I told my dad I wasn't going to church anymore. He respected my decision and let it ride. That's my dad, not yours. My experience is different so to everyone who's comparing their parents to the OPs, stop.
You're dad made a good choice imo.

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In my opinion, just stop going. It's worth a 'grounding' to stop having to spend two to three hours in mental anguish tolerating something you hate. There's no good reason to mentally torture yourself for your parents lack of understanding.
Attending Church for someone who doesn't believe in Christianity is about as mentally anguishing as someone who hates math going to math class. Sure it's boring, but it's not the melodrama you described.
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I honestly say go to church to challenge your beliefs. I have went to Church for the last two years, even when I was losing faith, and now have lost my faith in Christianity. Going to church has helped me explain my views better, realize why I really don't believe in Christianity, and realize in general what a scam I thought all of it was.

A philosopher I'm reading talks about listening, he says why do we listen? Do we listen to confirm our views, or do we listen to actually understand something? If you are listening to confirm your views, you really aren't listening. Listen to other people's views to challenge and strengthen your own. Go to church with an open mind and you might learn something.
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You're dad made a good choice imo.


Attending Church for someone who doesn't believe in Christianity is about as mentally anguishing as someone who hates math going to math class. Sure it's boring, but it's not the melodrama you described.
So you're denying the truth of MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE? That's just not gonna fly. I'm telling you how I felt when I had to attend Catholic mass with my family. I went through the EXACT same thing he is. My outcome was different, that's all.
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So you're denying the truth of MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE? That's just not gonna fly. I'm telling you how I felt when I had to attend Catholic mass with my family. I went through the EXACT same thing he is. My outcome was different, that's all.
And why was it mentally anguishing and complete and utter torture of the most unbearable sort?
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Good question, any psychologists in the thread wanna tell him?
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Here's a thought -

You take their money - right?

Do you pay rent? Do you pay for your food? Do you pay for utlilities?

If you can't take two hours out of your day to do something they find meaninful as a family -

move out on your own - then you can do what you want.

That might sound rough, but it's the truth.
oh em gee the ironing.

i love how people say that no one forces their kids to church, yet they make the conscious decision that they dont want to and you FORCE them to go, and practically kick them out of your house for making that decision.
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oh em gee the ironing.

i love how people say that no one forces their kids to church, yet they make the conscious decision that they dont want to and you FORCE them to go, and practically kick them out of your house for making that decision.
That might sound rough, but it's the truth.
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Good question, any psychologists in the thread wanna tell him?
You can't tell me?
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Dude, I don't know WHY attending church gave me acute claustraphobia, depression and lethargy. That's way over my pay grade. I know a little about physics and a decent amount about helicopters and a tiny bit about motorcycles, but beyond those three I'm really no expert. Included there is any knowledge of psychology or how the human brain works.
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Dude, I don't know WHY attending church gave me acute claustraphobia, depression and lethargy. That's way over my pay grade. I know a little about physics and a decent amount about helicopters and a tiny bit about motorcycles, but beyond those three I'm really no expert. Included there is any knowledge of psychology or how the human brain works.
Fair enough.
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I Love how all the Religious in this thread tell you that if Don't give in to being FORCED to go to church, then your tearing down the very aspect that is a family.
It's Bull**** man. I use to go to church to please my grand parents and mother. Then I realized that it's like someone going to a AA meeting just to stare at drunks.

It's really quite easy:
-Your not Religious anymore
-You obviously have gone against your parents wishes already
-Don't go. Suck it up and take the grounding like it's nothing

I'd simply explain your feelings to your parents, and explain that they should accept your beliefs. They will...They're your parents man. Don't let anyone use the "your only 17" crap against you.
I don't think religion is even an issue in this case. How would he respond if they asked him to go somewhere else with them? It's not just about going to church. It's really about respect for his parents.

I respect my parents and appreciate everything they have done for me. So when they ask me to do something, I do it. It doesn't matter if it's going to church with them or going out to dinner when I had other plans. It's the least you can do. If your parents ask you to go to church, go. When you can support yourself without their help, then you can do whatever you want.

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Just go, church can be quite interesting, listen to what the priest says and get stronger/better opinions.
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Well, I refused to go. And i refused the grounding and won the war. Im typing from a friends house , cheers boys.
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