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Old 03-27-2007, 11:19 PM #22
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"There also will be an exhibit suggesting that belief in evolution is the root of most of modern society's evils. It shows models of children leaving a church where the minister believes in evolution. Soon the girl is on the phone to Planned Parenthood, while the boy cruises the Internet for pornography sites."

Fantastic. I really don't think that qualifies as a museum.
That's the most ridiculous thing ever. And we are supposed to take these people seriously?
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"When the Gallup Poll asked people about their views on the subject last March, 47 percent of Americans polled said that God created humans pretty much in their present form some time in the last 10,000 years. That belief was strongest among those with less education, regular churchgoers, people 65 and older, and Republicans."

Now that is rich...
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I especially like the part about them being the less educated... duh!
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you are asking peple who bleieve that the world is greater than 10,000 years old. you want the opposite. the alligator wants to eat the bigger number. or replace alligator with pac man.
i just want to hear an explanation, not the opposite, an explanation because ive never heard one reguarding plate tectonics by anyone. so i asked for one, is it a crime to ask for an explanation for beliefs. i want to better understand ones belief in this

and im sorry, im in AP calculus so normally were comparing an inequality with values on both sides ex: 11000>10000, never one value, so thats why i used the >10000 my bad

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How do we know that the continents shifted at a constant rate? We weren't documenting it until recently, so how are we sure they shifted the same amount each year, and at the same speed?
thats all i asked for, good explanation, i guess you can reason it just like radioactive dating, but i personally find it hard to believe that currently continents that move .001cm to 7cm each year now according to Nasa's satellites, would just happen to move more around 10 feet a day consistently for thousands of years, less than 10000 years ago. and then suddely reduce to cm a day now
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i just want to hear an explanation,
God created a 6 billion year old Earth in 6 days.

God created a tree. Cut it open. Would it have rings?
God created a bird. Would it be an egg without a parent to protect and incubate it?
God created a man. Was it a gamete, zygote, or a full-grown man?
God created the Earth. What was it?
Many will say that God wouldn't be so deceptive, but I ask unto you, is it God who is deceptive, or is it man? Were Darwin, Dawkins, Morgan, Dobzhansky, Linnaeus, et cetera men or gods?

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.001cm to 7cm each year now according to Nasa's satellites,
Heh... I just got an image of someone standing there looking at a white desk and saying "these atoms are moving away from each other at...".

Would you trust your life to NASA measuring .001 centimeters from space? Then why trust your eternal life?


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This is a waste of time and money and will be a huge failure. I'd rather see 27 million going to a few thousand homeless. No one will go to it because its unscientific and just a pat on the back for self-proclaimed "Creation Scientists".
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uh.... FREAKING SCARY.....

New title! Sorry for the understatement, I am just about speechless!

TES or Tippmann please answer the one about light travel. I would love to hear that broken down to fit into your 8,000 yr old Universe.
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The earth is not 6 to 10 thousand years old.

I guarantee you that if you go to your back yard, pick up a rock, make sure it's not concrete and take it to a geologist to have it carbon dated, it will be well over ten thousand years old.

And what's this poop about dinosaurs being vegetarians? Who the hell is going to beleive that?

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The one thing that throws off carbon dating is heat.

Is the earth carbon-based? Yes.
What's at the core of the earth? Heat.

Carbon dating has been proven inaccurate.
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The one thing that throws off carbon dating is heat.

Is the earth carbon-based? Yes.
What's at the core of the earth? Heat.

Carbon dating has been proven inaccurate.
There are plenty of dating methods other than carbon dating that are accurate.
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The only one psyco listed was carbon dating.
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The only one psyco listed was carbon dating.
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The one thing that throws off carbon dating is heat.

Is the earth carbon-based? Yes.
What's at the core of the earth? Heat.

Carbon dating has been proven inaccurate.
of course carbon dating is inaccurate, but it has no geological purposes.

lead-thorium isochrons, on the otherhand, are extremely accurate and do not suffer the from contamination or partial melting errors as carbon or argon dating does.

if it was innaccurate, then why do lead/thorium ratios fall on a linear plot, no matter where on earth, the moon, or asteroids the ratio is tested?
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There also will be an exhibit suggesting that belief in evolution is the root of most of modern society's evils. It shows models of children leaving a church where the minister believes in evolution. Soon the girl is on the phone to Planned Parenthood, while the boy cruises the Internet for pornography sites.
Yes because we all know that a person who believes in evolution is more likely to kill someone.

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TES or Tippmann please answer the one about light travel. I would love to hear that broken down to fit into your 8,000 yr old Universe.
It doesn't matter to them. God made the light in order to test us so that if we fail he can send us to Hell.
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Im scared, does that mean i can make a museum with 0% backing.
27 million could go to so many better things.
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The one thing that throws off carbon dating is heat.

Is the earth carbon-based? Yes.
What's at the core of the earth? Heat.

Carbon dating has been proven inaccurate.


Explain to me how we can see the light from stars that are millions of light years away.
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Explain to me how we can see the light from stars that are millions of light years away.
Are you kidding me? Thats just like asking how you can see the light coming from the lightbulb when you turn it on. Heres a new concept light moves!!!! Yes and it even has its own constant speed!!! 186,000 miles per second or 300,000 kilometers per second.

Lets take a guess here. What do stars emit? Light among other things. Guess what that light does? Fly's through space at 186,000 miles per hour.

Have you never heard of anything represtented in light years? A measurment of distance and not time. Its the distance that light will travel in one year. So if something blows up that light will move at a constant rate through space toward the Earth and everything else in space.

If you went to mars you would still expect to be able to see the sun right?
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Are you kidding me? Thats just like asking how you can see the light coming from the lightbulb when you turn it on. Heres a new concept light moves!!!! Yes and it even has its own constant speed!!! 186,000 miles per second or 300,000 kilometers per second.

Lets take a guess here. What do stars emit? Light among other things. Guess what that light does? Fly's through space at 186,000 miles per hour.

Have you never heard of anything represtented in light years? A measurment of distance and not time. Its the distance that light will travel in one year. So if something blows up that light will move at a constant rate through space toward the Earth and everything else in space.

If you went to mars you would still expect to be able to see the sun right?
That went right over your head. It was a question aimed at young earth creationists and their belief that the planet was formed between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago. Light from distant stars have travelled millions, if not billions, of light years for us to see them, thus disproving a young earth
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Alright yeah, but now we have how it works in writing in case theres any questions

I didn't look in the quote. But yeah I'm not a young earth advocate
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$27 million? There are a lot more important things that money could be used for.
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As far as the museum goes, I'll say that it's about time! I definitely don't agree with some of their ideas, but it's great to see a museum that shows a different view of that world. That's how you learn - by studying more than possibility. It's sad to see the same people that think 27 million is a waste of money when in turn they might think 27 million for an evolution museum, all of its faults included, is just fine. A bit hypocritical if you ask me.

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That went right over your head. It was a question aimed at young earth creationists and their belief that the planet was formed between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago. Light from distant stars have travelled millions, if not billions, of light years for us to see them, thus disproving a young earth
From an evolutionists view, how long it took for light to come from the stars seems like a home run to disproving Creationism. However that's not the case. During Creation, everything created was in a mature state that was "good". The Creator of the universe isn't limited by the very scientific was He created, so a star can be made at any stage of it's life with it's light shining anywhere it would normally. An even better example is the solar system. The moon obviously didn't gain all those craters and surface features in a few thousand years. However God doesn't need time to make natural features. It was created, like the earth and its creatures, in a "good", mature or non-mature state.

On the other hand, the light coming from stars, quasars, and other objects billions of miles away actually has a chance of disproving or changing the timeline evolution. Optical equipment is getting so good that we can see light from objects billions of miles away (2.5 billion light years for a certain quasar). There might come a time very soon when we can see objects such as quasars that are as far away in billion of light years as the universe is old according to the big bang theory. That would require evolutionists to either scrap the big bang theory or push it back in time. The effect of evolutionists being wrong again would be damaging to their theories. So something that on the surface appears to be a stab at Creationism can turn out to be the exact opposite. Time will tell if this will be the case.

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i still would like to hear someone who believes that the world is >10,000 years old, explain plate tectonics and the movement of the continents and pangea? did pangea not exist, and it is just a coincidence that the continents fit together like a puzzle and similar fossils that are dated around the same time are found on connecting coastlines that were once together when pangea was intact? Also is there no movement of the contintents each year, and does seafloor spreading not occur?
Be glad to (I'm studying earth science this semester). Like the previous example of light travel, the same idea applies to continental drift. In Creationism, Pangea, or the lack thereof,can fit in just fine. If it really did exist, a global flood can be the culprit for such a movement of the continents. If it didn't exist, the fossils common to multiple continents can also be attributed to the Flood (the Creator, ultimately) breaking up Pangea. Of course it could be just a coincidence that a couple continent shorelines fit together.The vast majority of the continent lines don't match well. It wouldn't be the first coincidence since evolution is filled with them. As far the natural processes we see today, the Creator of the universe (and natural processes) could have simply set them in place. God said the earth was "good". Is "good" really good when natural processes are absent? Incomplete sounds like a better word. Continental drift and seafloor spreading are just like every other natural process we find, and it isn't sufficient to prove or disprove evolutionism and Creationism.

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"When the Gallup Poll asked people about their views on the subject last March, 47 percent of Americans polled said that God created humans pretty much in their present form some time in the last 10,000 years. That belief was strongest among those with less education, regular churchgoers, people 65 and older, and Republicans."

Now that is rich...
That's not surprising. Many people that don't believe in evolution are the folks that were in school before science became a one-possibility, anti-Christian/Creationism brainwashing. So the question is this: Is the lack of education the factor for them believing in creationism? Or is the reason why they don't believe in evolution because they haven't been told that it's the only way? It could go either way.
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