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Old 03-06-2007, 02:47 PM #43
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I should've clarified that I meant strict creation.
OK, I was just thinking about the number of believers.
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Old 03-06-2007, 04:41 PM #44
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...Don't try to give me that crap about how it's science because it's not. ...
I may have missed it, but did anyone say it was science in this thread?
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Old 03-06-2007, 05:17 PM #45
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some were Christian
other were deist or atheist.

i know you wish to cling to the myth of the "christian nation"

but the fact is this nation was not founded as a christian nation. god was added to the pledge of allegance during the cold war to differentiate ourselves from "those godless communists"
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Old 03-06-2007, 08:06 PM #49
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There was not a single atheist at the Constitutional Convention. Sorry to disappoint anyone.

And as for the few, select deists, none of them claimed to not be Christians. They had mixed religious beliefs and backgrounds of a belief in Christ not being divine but following his teachings. Also believing that there was, without a doubt, a God.

No founding father claimed to be non-Christian.

And yes, in my previous post I made a generalization. An overwhelming majority of the founding fathers, were thorough Christians ( 92.8 % to be exact ).

The only mixed religious founding fathers were: Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Robert Paine. None of which ever claimed that God did not exist.

Does this mean that our founding fathers all had Christian based values, morals, and ideas? Yes.
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There was not a single atheist at the Constitutional Convention. Sorry to disappoint anyone.

And as for the few, select deists, none of them claimed to not be Christians. They had mixed religious beliefs and backgrounds of a belief in Christ not being divine but following his teachings. Also believing that there was, without a doubt, a God.

No founding father claimed to be non-Christian.

And yes, in my previous post I made a generalization. An overwhelming majority of the founding fathers, were thorough Christians ( 92.8 % to be exact ).

The only mixed religious founding fathers were: Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Robert Paine. None of which ever claimed that God did not exist.

Does this mean that our founding fathers all had Christian based values, morals, and ideas? Yes.

I mean you do realize Mr. Jefferson made his own bible where he delted all the miracles? yeah, that kinda changes things a little.

How can you claim morals like, Dont murder people to be Christian. Anyone can do that. What are some more speific Christian values I may not possess?
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There was not a single atheist at the Constitutional Convention. Sorry to disappoint anyone.

And as for the few, select deists, none of them claimed to not be Christians. They had mixed religious beliefs and backgrounds of a belief in Christ not being divine but following his teachings. Also believing that there was, without a doubt, a God.

No founding father claimed to be non-Christian.

And yes, in my previous post I made a generalization. An overwhelming majority of the founding fathers, were thorough Christians ( 92.8 % to be exact ).

The only mixed religious founding fathers were: Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Robert Paine. None of which ever claimed that God did not exist.

Does this mean that our founding fathers all had Christian based values, morals, and ideas? Yes.
Belief in God does not = Christian.

Deists like Jefferson and Adams believed in God, but pretty much nothing else from the Christian religion.

Do these sound like the words of a Christian?

"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."

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That kind of ruins your claim that "No founding father claimed to be non-Christian."

In fact, the leading founding father despised Christianity.
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:07 PM #52
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I mean you do realize Mr. Jefferson made his own bible where he delted all the miracles? yeah, that kinda changes things a little.
I've never heard of that and I don't know how accurate the statement is, but yes, Thomas Jefferson was a Deist who believed in Jesus Christ as a morale teacher but did not claim he had was the son of God.
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Belief in God does not = Christian.
Never said otherwise. Look at my post.

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Do these sound like the words of a Christian?
It's not up to you to decide whether or not he was a Christian. There's no "fact" presented.
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:25 PM #54
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In a class teaching about religion, sure.

In a science class, I sure hope not.
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:32 PM #55
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In a class teaching about religion, sure.

In a science class, I sure hope not.
Fair enough.
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:36 PM #56
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Never said otherwise. Look at my post.


It's not up to you to decide whether or not he was a Christian. There's no "fact" presented.


It really does seem in your post that you are trying to blur the line between unitarians and diests and christians.
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:52 PM #57
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It's not up to you to decide whether or not he was a Christian. There's no "fact" presented.
What? Those statements are clearly anti-Christian.
Here's more, but I don't understand why I would have to prove my point further...

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity."

"I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians." (Comparing God to a demon or devil)

Another quote by Jefferson:

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
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It really does seem in your post that you are trying to blur the line between unitarians and diests and christians.
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...creationism under what religion? if it's christianity then no.

We as a country should move forwards, not back.


Christianity is it's own worst enemy. (i just felt like saying that)
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Evolution = Widely accepted scientific theory
Creation = Widely followed unexplainable myth

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Old 03-08-2007, 06:47 PM #63
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not based on religion, been said before. ^

But probably not because a lot of athiests (sorry for the stereotype, but in my POV and where i'm from its true) have almost zero religious tolerance. If it has anything to do with religion, I do not think it will ever happen in a public school.
I don't care if people pray in school, but it should not be sanctioned by the teacher. I should not feel like I have to pretend I am Christian in a classroom.


I don't think we should have added "under god" to the pledge, but I usually do not say the pledge, because I think it's kind of ridiculous.
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