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Old 02-17-2007, 05:07 PM #43
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now here's the other question: was it really the kit's themselves that made the gun smooth or was it the gun themselves that are smoother?
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Old 02-17-2007, 06:44 PM #44
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Sterlings don't need aftermarket kits although I am drawing some things up in masterCAM and probably going to do a few one offs of some acrylic pumps, bolts and grip panels. More for looks than function though.

And to answer your question GuitarSlave, The springing of the gun pretty much determines how stiff the pump stroke is unless you install a return spring. Quality of the product (machining, polishing, fit) determine how smooth the stroke is.

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Old 02-17-2007, 07:08 PM #45
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my ccm is much smoother then the wwa premium i had, same goes for my friend.
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Old 02-17-2007, 07:26 PM #46
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I actually prefer the CCM to WWA also. My Friend had a WWA and when I used it, the pump stroke was SO small, I could barely pump it without rubbing my hand against the Reg...

And when I was pumping, the pump arm would sometimes just randomly pop off... Not cool..
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Old 02-17-2007, 10:45 PM #47
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I actually prefer the CCM to WWA also. My Friend had a WWA and when I used it, the pump stroke was SO small, I could barely pump it without rubbing my hand against the Reg...

And when I was pumping, the pump arm would sometimes just randomly pop off... Not cool..
lol, that sounds like fun.
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Old 02-18-2007, 01:36 AM #48
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That would be a classic example of what we call a "stripped thread."
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Old 02-18-2007, 02:05 PM #49
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Old 02-18-2007, 02:40 PM #50
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Sterlings don't need aftermarket kits...
...The springing of the gun pretty much determines how stiff the pump stroke is unless you install a return spring. Quality of the product (machining, polishing, fit) determine how smooth the stroke is.
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I am drawing some things up in masterCAM and probably going to do a few one offs of some acrylic pumps, bolts and grip panels.
LMK how they turn out, i would like to see a dual guide pump kit for the Sterling, but the 2 guides would be hard to make, maybe one in the rail and one in the frame
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Old 02-18-2007, 03:28 PM #51
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Springs are a big factor. Anodizing can cause friction to. That's why I prefer non anodized pump guides. I put them on the lathe,run some crocus cloth on them then buff the guide up to a high shine. I have used/or owned every pump on the list. Truthfully they are all equal. It just really depends what you want to pay. $35.00 or $70.00. They all do the same function,pump the bolt back. One just has less free play then the other. Playing one game with a new pump isn't a way to do a determination(I'm not saying anything to say you did). Part's need break in time. ie Delron is a self lubricating plastic. Give it time it will smooth out. At this time I'm using a Vedetta deluxe pump kit with a CCM handle. I bet I could let any player use it and it would be the smoothest thing on the market. Switch out the handles and it would be the crappiest thing ever in paintball. That's just how paintball it goes. I however think this should be a sticky for informational purpose. I'll be recieving a new pump in the mail soon. New company out there. I will do a review on it at MCB and I'll post it here.
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Old 02-18-2007, 04:23 PM #52
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yeah i prefer a polished stainless guide....and delrin handle.....and some lapping compound to smooth out the delrin hole....thing is you need the hole undersized so its not too big and sloppy


i wish i still had my stainless stock pump guide....oh the humanity
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:08 PM #53
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Old 02-19-2007, 02:41 PM #54
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hah, I love the red print..

It made me laugh, then cry lol..
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Old 02-19-2007, 02:47 PM #55
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Yes I agree with you on under size hole. It just has to fit in there with slight friction. That will give it the proper break in fit.
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:08 PM #56
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Heh, I could make stainless pump guides.. Ive got a bit of it sitting around, and have the 9/16-24 die for threading it.

I hadnt really thought about it lol..

Is there really a difference?
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:13 PM #57
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:57 PM #58
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SLY1,
You know the more you shine something the more friction is removed. Back in the day when I first started playing,polishing the trigger would remove lbs per pull. That's why I don't like internal anodizing on my barrels, A little Never Dull sent the ball a long way. Will you just make these straight rods or add the bevel on the end? My Idea was just making them straight rods. However my shop is still down. No one to really help me with sheet rock and insulation till the summer. Plus I still have to build work tables.
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Old 02-19-2007, 04:03 PM #59
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Doesnt the raw aluminum oxidize and get less smooth over time if you dont play avidly?

anodizing is mainly to keep aluminum from oxidizing, and disenegrating away to nothing..(long long time of repeated oxidization/use)

What do you mean by the bevel at the end?
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Old 02-19-2007, 04:53 PM #60
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Yea it oxidizes,but if you maintain the unanodized protion it won't. Then again who has time too. Bevel meaning as in using over size stock and turning it down. Leaving a bevel above the threads. Kind of like a stop so you don't thread in deeper than needed.
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Old 02-19-2007, 04:55 PM #61
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oh ya, yes I will If I can sell them lol.. Im to poor to go out and buy 3/4th inch stainless bar to turn it down to mabey 1/4+- for myself..

Ill also probably make two parallel cuts just on the end of them (end that points towards the barrel tip) to give a wrench something to grab onto.
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Old 02-19-2007, 05:13 PM #62
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In the end I'll bet you can make just about any kit as smooth as the other with a little work. It's not like they use special material in one and not the other, it's aluminum and delrin.
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Old 02-19-2007, 05:36 PM #63
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About time someone realized that. These methods aren't big secrets,just a little time out of the day. Instead of trying to buy the highend markers,invest in the proper tooling. There are tech scools out there that are made for the average teenager to attend after school and learn all this stuff.
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