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Old 02-11-2007, 11:40 AM #1
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Not firing right and I need some help

Ok guys I need some help on this fusion. I posted a video so you could see what I am talking about. The gun fires all the time when the fusion doesn't have air in it. But, when I hook air up to it the gun will not fire right. I will fire after you pull the trigger a bunch of times. I have tried new batteries but not sure what else I would need to do with it.

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Old 02-11-2007, 12:06 PM #2
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Have you tried a new good duracell battery in it? What is the HPR set at ?
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Old 02-11-2007, 12:11 PM #3
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hpr is 250psi and yes I have put an energizer, duracell, and walgreens
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Old 02-11-2007, 12:22 PM #4
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ya a lot of people have that problem. dp really needs to make a better solenoid, one that works better with not perfectly brand new batteries and can withstand higher psi. i had to send in my gun for the v2 detents anyways and right before i sent it that started to happen, although a new battery usually solved it for me.
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Old 02-11-2007, 12:23 PM #5
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hpr is 250psi and yes I have put an energizer, duracell, and walgreens
I would say noid problem, merely because you can sort of use the process of elimintaion to tell:

1. if the Hpr is at 250psi and the gauge reads it, it's not your hpr.
2. If the noid clicks with the gas off, it's not a battery.
3. I'm thinking it's the noid because, obviously air is getting to the noid, but maybe since the noid is faulty, it takes a couple of "clicks" to get it going.


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I hate to say it, but you need to contact DP then or take your solenoid apart and check it out (I am not sure how that effects the warrenty though).

Po0pTruck, DP already has and will be released in the next batch of fusions. So far they have listened to their customers and fixed every thing we have thrown their way. There is a new regulator as well. I guess I am going to have to try posting my post from FO onto here again.
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I was hoping it wasn't the noid. I already emailed dp because I was clamping the feedneck closed and the screw snapped in half.

Now the gun won't do anything w/ air but the noid clicks correctly w/ no air.
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Old 02-11-2007, 12:56 PM #8
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Po0pTruck, DP already has and will be released in the next batch of fusions. So far they have listened to their customers and fixed every thing we have thrown their way...

okay so my fusion is on the way to dp as we speak bcuz of noid problems, will them put in the newer noid, the one that will work better with lower batts? gee wizzer i sure hope so.
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Po0pTruck, DP already has and will be released in the next batch of fusions. So far they have listened to their customers and fixed every thing we have thrown their way...

okay so my fusion is on the way to dp as we speak bcuz of noid problems, will them put in the newer noid, the one that will work better with lower batts? gee wizzer i sure hope so.
I honestly couldnt say, I was just told that it is up and coming.
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Take apart your solenoid and relube the orings -- it sounds like it might be sticking a bit (similar to bolt stick in a Shocker)
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I had this problem for the first time in a tourny on dec 3rd and that was b4 I upgraded to the new board so it could have been that. at first it wouldnt shoot at all but that was only b/c i tried setting the trigger too sensitive and i guess the cold couldn't read the short trigger pull. that was solved by increasing the the trigger pull. I thought that could be your problem but from your very well put together video it looks like the trigger goes all the way to the other optic eye, so that cant be the problem. next I had the same problem with it not shooting the first 5 or so pulls and then take off, we thought it was just the cold. in your case i suppose that is not it. I contacted DP about it. It was awhile ago, but i remember them giving me some good advice on setting the trigger and I was just thinking the new board should fix it and it has so far. no problems at all. although some very good advice that jrhummel gave me this weekend is to get some silver reflective tape and stick it on the part of the trigger that passes through the optic sensor. this might work, it might not. the eye, i was told, senses movement not necessarily break beam like a lot of ball sensors so the reflective material should help this.... sorry for the novel, doesn't give a lot of help but i think DP is your best bet for some answers, they are very good at that.
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Old 02-11-2007, 02:41 PM #12
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I would check the noid o-rings and lube them as well...also check and make sure that the noid's spring hasn't been compromised.

Hard to tell over the video, but the noid certainly doesn't healthy
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Old 02-11-2007, 03:22 PM #13
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i wouldn't take the noid apart, it'll destroy your warranty. As for I know, it may be the trigger.
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Old 02-11-2007, 05:03 PM #14
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i wouldn't take the noid apart, it'll destroy your warranty. As for I know, it may be the trigger.
I don't know if that is a true statement because I took my noid apart and you can't tell I touched it. I wonder how they would know if I did (aside from reading this post). The gun works the same (noid click w/o air and w/ air you pull the trigger 5-6 times and then the gun shoots fine until you don't shoot it for a bit then you need to pull the trigger 5-6 times again before it will fire.)
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Old 02-11-2007, 05:04 PM #15
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mine does this too, im not happy
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Old 02-11-2007, 05:10 PM #16
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mine just started doing this and i sent it to dp
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Old 02-11-2007, 05:20 PM #17
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My guess its the noid o-rings as well (thanks PB Maty). We've got new noid shafts with HARDER o-rings on them at the store. The origional o-rings were just a tad too soft, thus allowing the o-ring to catch on the internal air passages, stopping the marker from firing. DP released a new noid/shaft with stiffer o-rings and tighter Quality Control over the noids tolerences. I owned the origional "soft release" Fusion and have NEVER had a problem with the noid, but as many of you know, its been a problem with the origional V1 release. The newer V2 Fusions have the better noid, so if your Fusion is a V2 or a LE, you need to get the marker to DP Service and let them take care of it for you. !!!!

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Old 02-11-2007, 07:00 PM #18
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rhino and matty probably are right its deffinantly something to the noid. are you sure all the plugs are pluged in? Did it work before you took the noid apart?
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Old 02-11-2007, 08:31 PM #19
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rhino and matty probably are right its deffinantly something to the noid. are you sure all the plugs are pluged in? Did it work before you took the noid apart?
Not doubting matty or rhino at all. I agree it is something w/ the noid. The gun out of the box hasn't worked right. I just figured the trigger wasn't adjusted right but once I eliminated battery, trigger, and loose wires the noid was the last thing I touched. Now this may sound stupid but the gun seems to shoot better the lower my hpr is. Now I am not a rocket scientist or anything but the lpr is what controls the pressure to the noid so in theory the hpr pressure should have no affect on the noid? Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
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Old 02-11-2007, 08:43 PM #20
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yup that sounds right

meh... Im having some trouble with my fusion with the LPR leaking hopefully its the tank.


I wish i could help more, ive never heard of that happening.
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Old 02-11-2007, 08:49 PM #21
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it could be like a bad relay in ur board
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