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Old 12-19-2006, 01:31 PM #22
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Whats wrong with ID ? It may not be your cup of tea so to speak but,I would rather believe in ID than believe that I somehow evolved from a poo slinging primate that picks bugs off of other primates and eats them. It all comes down to personal beliefs though. I will now refer to evolutionist as poo slingers just kidding
That's just it-"God did it" sounds nicer to you, and the Christian community as a whole. They rant on and on about how it makes more sense that God created us-the idea of an eternal, omnipotent being is so incredibly nonsensical.

Intelligent design is NOT science, and it should NOT be taught as such.
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Nope thats just my opinon on the matter like I said you believe what you choose to and I will do the same.
I wasn't saying your opinion was wrong, I was just pointing out that alot of people view humanity as being the main show of the universe.

In my opinion, humans are no more mortal or special than any other animal.
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That's just it-"God did it" sounds nicer to you, and the Christian community as a whole. They rant on and on about how it makes more sense that God created us-the idea of an eternal, omnipotent being is so incredibly nonsensical.

Intelligent design is NOT science, and it should NOT be taught as such.
And your point is .. I may believe that cookie dough ice cream is the best in the world while you may despise ice cream in general, Imo neither idea really makes that much sense. Visit a zoo and watch the great apes and lower primates for a while ,maybe youll see why I believe that the theroy we evolved from apes is nonsense. BTW I never said ID was science, but my personal beliefs on the subject of our creation, but weve allready had that thread.
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I wasn't saying your opinion was wrong, I was just pointing out that alot of people view humanity as being the main show of the universe.

In my opinion, humans are no more mortal or special than any other animal.
Every now and then I think maybe the world would be a better place without us pesky humans around, but then I take a bite out of my steak,but I agree with you somewhat.
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...Intelligent design is NOT science, and it should NOT be taught as such.
The same could be said for human "evolution". (and I have said it, as I believe that "evolution" requires faith and as such is more of a religion than science).
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The same could be said for human "evolution". (and I have said it, as I believe that "evolution" requires faith and as such is more of a religion than science).
Not true. Intelligent design is an idea- not science. While evolution is still flawed, there is evidence behind it. It is a theory, which is a collection of observations.
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Not true. Intelligent design is an idea- not science. While evolution is still flawed, there is evidence behind it. It is a theory, which is a collection of observations.
ID has evidences as well, but just as "we" choose to not believe some of your "evidences", you choose to not believe any ID "evidences". agree to disagree.
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ID has evidences as well, but just as "we" choose to not believe some of your "evidences", you choose to not believe any ID "evidences". agree to disagree.
I always laugh when I hear this.
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I always laugh when I hear this.
and knowing that people like you laugh at it, I give it a chuckle as well knowing that it comes to discussions of faith and religion and a man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.
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Intelligent design is NOT science, and it should NOT be taught as such.
Bravo. I might add that it's also illegal to teach it as such.
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ID has evidences as well, but just as "we" choose to not believe some of your "evidences", you choose to not believe any ID "evidences". agree to disagree.
Entirely not true...Unless you use lack of answers as evidence, then claim that God is the only possible explanation, which worked quite nicely in the middle ages.
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^Also well said. "Theory A isn't complete, so God did it" does not constitute science.
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Entirely not true...Unless you use lack of answers as evidence...
As I said, exactly same could be said of evolutionism. also it is not illegal to teach ID/creation. However, it is illegal in many/most states to teach something that is inaccurate, such as many of the concepts of "evolution".
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As I said, exactly same could be said of evolutionism. also it is not illegal to teach ID/creation.
It will never be taught in a science class which is what creationists are pushing for.
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also it is not illegal to teach ID/creation.
Edwards v. Aguillard, 1987. Ruling stated that teaching creationism in public schools is in violation of the Establishment clause of the first amendment.

Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School Board, 2005. Ruling stated that ID is creationism using different language, and to teach it in a public school is therefore a violation of the Establishment Clause.
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Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School Board, 2005. Ruling stated that ID is creationism using different language, and to teach it in a public school is therefore a violation of the Establishment Clause of the first ammendment.
Ding ding ding... For the win.

And keep in mind, the judges who ruled on this are admitted christians.
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And Judge Jones, who ruled on the Dover case last year, is a Bush appointee. It was kind of funny before the trial, the ID people said, basically, it would be really stupid for Jones to rule against ID, because it would be against the wishes of the people who appointed him and be the end of his career and so on. That's why we have an independent judiciary and lifetime appointments.
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It will never be taught in a science class which is what creationists are pushing for.
not me. I am pushing to get evolutionism out of the science class.
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not me. I am pushing to get evolutionism out of the science class.
Good luck with that. You have a few million scientists to debunk.
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ID has evidences as well, but just as "we" choose to not believe some of your "evidences", you choose to not believe any ID "evidences". agree to disagree.
Or you can just realize that you aren't qualified by yourself to decide what is or isn't science, that ID does not follow the scientific method, and the a federal court has declared ID legally unscientific.

a list of some of the scientific organizations that have rejected ID:
* American Association for the Advancement of Science

* American Association of University Professors

* American Astronomical Society

* American Chemical Society

* American Geophysical Union

* American Institute of Physics

* American Society of Agronomy

* American Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology

* Botanical Society of America

* Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity

* Kentucky Academy of Science

* Kentucky Paleontological Society

* National Science Teachers Association

* Project Steve: A statement signed by over 700 scientists, all named Steve (or some derivative like stephen, stephanie, esteban, etc). The point of this was to counter signature lists collected by ID supporters of scientists who support ID. The idea is that science isn't about who can collect the longest list of signatures. Despite that only people named "Steve" can sign the list, limiting it to roughly 1% of the population of the western hemisphere, so far 774 steves have signed it, making it longer than any signature list in support of ID or against basic evolutionary theory.

* National Academy of Sciences
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