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Old 12-18-2006, 05:18 PM #22
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Really? Almost every practicing Christian I've ever talked to said they take everything in the Bible as 100% truth.
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Old 12-18-2006, 05:19 PM #23
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Catholics, according to my theology teacher, take the bible very metaphorically.

EDIT: Shes a Catholic theology teacher BTW.
but there are 2 branches of christianity (Catholic and Protestant) that are extremely different in their beliefs
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but there are 2 branches of christianity (Catholic and Protestant) that are extremely different in their beliefs
There are a lot more than 2 demoninations of christianity than catholic and protestant.
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There are a lot more than 2 demoninations of christianity than catholic and protestant.
i said branches, the 2 branches, like i said, are catholic and protestant. Out of the protestant branch exist many denominations
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i said branches, the 2 branches, like i said, are catholic and protestant. Out of the protestant branch exist many denominations
Catholic 1,050,000,000
Orthodox/Eastern Christian 240,000,000
African indigenous sects (AICs) 110,000,000
Pentecostal 105,000,000
Reformed/Presbyterian/Congregational/United 75,000,000
Anglican 73,000,000
Baptist 70,000,000
Methodist 70,000,000
Lutheran 64,000,000
Jehovah's Witnesses 14,800,000
Adventist 12,000,000
Latter Day Saints 12,500,000
Apostolic/New Apostolic 10,000,000
Stone-Campbell ("Restoration Movement") 5,400,000
New Thought (Unity, Christian Science, etc.) 1,500,000
Brethren (incl. Plymouth) 1,500,000
Mennonite 1,250,000
Friends (Quakers) 300,000

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Catholic 1,050,000,000
Orthodox/Eastern Christian 240,000,000
African indigenous sects (AICs) 110,000,000
Pentecostal 105,000,000
Reformed/Presbyterian/Congregational/United 75,000,000
Anglican 73,000,000
Baptist 70,000,000
Methodist 70,000,000
Lutheran 64,000,000
Jehovah's Witnesses 14,800,000
Adventist 12,000,000
Latter Day Saints 12,500,000
Apostolic/New Apostolic 10,000,000
Stone-Campbell ("Restoration Movement") 5,400,000
New Thought (Unity, Christian Science, etc.) 1,500,000
Brethren (incl. Plymouth) 1,500,000
Mennonite 1,250,000
Friends (Quakers) 300,000

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i cant believe your arguing about this! that is exactly what i just said, those are some of the denominations of the protestant branch. Half of those arent Christian denomination anyway (Quaker, Mennonite, ect.
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You just are suppose to believe we all came from the same person. Not all of those details. Along with all those other stories.
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From what I've understood from all your texts, I didn't an answer. I asked why a so clear change of mind from the catholic. From "BIBLE 100% TRUTH" to "Bible... you know... it's litteral... hard to understand......you need faith....."
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I'll have to dig the book out and give you specifics, but take for example the story of Moses and the Exodus. The general maps that many people use are actually off a bit when finding the mountain that Moses went to for the 10 commandments and the whole burning bush. The actual mountain is to the south, I believe, and heavily guarded. Up on that mountain is a spot that is burned black by fire. Testing shows it not to be recent fires, but an intense fire from long ago. No other spot like that is found in the area. And it happens to be on that mountain that the bible mentions. Below the mountain there are pillars toppled that match what the bible describes as alters and holding pens for the animals. And not too far off of that is a rock that stands alone in features. Its been hollowed out by water. Its not wind, but water erosion. No other rock in that area has any evidence what-so-ever of that. This is believed to be the rock that Moses struck and water came out of it. And its all where the bible said it would be. Its pretty neat stuff.
exactly, same thing goes for the red sea. People used to believe it was fake because, comon the red sea is like big, but they did some tests and research and found that a little northern part of it used to be full of water and would flood, recede, flood, recede about the same time each year. The claims that he parted the sea could have been exagerated, when really all that happened was the water receded and dried up
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From what I've understood from all your texts, I didn't an answer. I asked why a so clear change of mind from the catholic. From "BIBLE 100% TRUTH" to "Bible... you know... it's litteral... hard to understand......you need faith....."
not everyone takes it as a metaphor. THe majority of CHristians that i know 100% believe in it
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You just are suppose to believe we all came from the same person. Not all of those details. Along with all those other stories.
are you talking to me?
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http://www.baseinstitute.org/photos_sinai.html

Here's some of the photos from some of the explorations. There's also some Red Sea stuff in there. Now this guy has been in some controversy as to his means of getting the evidence. He's stepped on some toes, but his findings are cool.
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not everyone takes it as a metaphor. THe majority of CHristians that i know 100% believe in it
Well I remarked this change from some priest.
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Well I remarked this change from some priest.
i see, please dont take this as a flame but for the sake of my explanation

i have no affiliation with the pope nor do most protestants, i do not take responsibilty for his actions or what he says christians believe, i also disprove of most things that he does and i try not to even think that i am the same religion as him because my religion and catholicism have so many differences its hard to connect them
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i see, please dont take this as a flame but for the sake of my explanation

i have no affiliation with the pope nor do most protestants, i do not take responsibilty for his actions or what he says christians believe, i also disprove of most things that he does and i try not to even think that i am the same religion as him because my religion and catholicism have so many differences its hard to connect them
They have less differences than you think. The biggest difference is Catholicism is more secular and realistic.
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They have less differences than you think. The biggest difference is Catholicism is more secular and realistic.
realistic? how so?
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but there are 2 branches of christianity (Catholic and Protestant) that are extremely different in their beliefs
I know, that's why I said a Catholic theology teacher said that about Catholics...
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I know, that's why I said a Catholic theology teacher said that about Catholics...
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sorry it was directed to cryptic paintball
Ohhh, my mistake, sorry.

chodey, how is Catholicism more realistic? It's based on a lot of man-made assumuptions (Purgatory, divinity of saints, etc.), which are fallible in the eyes of God. Perhaps I'm reading it the wrong way though.
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Ohhh, my mistake, sorry.

chodey, how is Catholicism more realistic? It's based on a lot of man-made assumuptions (Purgatory, divinity of saints, etc.), which are fallible in the eyes of God. Perhaps I'm reading it the wrong way though.
All religion is nothing more than man made assumptions. If a man in todays world stands up and says he had a vision and in this vision he was told by god that he is to spread the word to the world you would look at him like he is crazy.
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All religion is nothing more than man made assumptions. If a man in todays world stands up and says he had a vision and in this vision he was told by god that he is to spread the word to the world you would look at him like he is crazy.
Technically you are correct, religion itself is a creation of man. But I was speaking from the perspective of a Christian. And within this religion, man is fallible. A little ironic sort of. The religions created by man claim that man is in no postion to make divine assumptions. I'm mainly referring to Catholics here, as Protestants tend to take the Bible more literally and, with the exception of I believe Lutheranism (sp?), do not believe in the concept of sainthood or purgatory. As for the latter of your statement, it's up to the individual to believe.

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