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Old 09-05-2001, 12:57 AM #1
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FREE FLOW ERA (pics)

Here are some pics.

Here is the description. Any further info can be recieved via PM or email to lockoutethan@yahoo.com - my website's email is still down.

25% decrease in cycling and firing pressures. Stock LCD's run approximately 65psi cyling and 250psi firing with no additional upgrades.

Your 14-way must be clean or new to achieve consistent velocity with the lower cycling pressures. If you do not know how to clean your 14-way do not expect a very large decrease in cycling pressure. We reccommend cleaning your 14-way every 20,000 shots with this mod.

Adjusting the ERA during play will cause velocity changes so knobs should not be allowed in any tournaments.

We install for free and we warranty everything for life. WDP is currently reviewing the part for factory warranty approval.

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Old 09-05-2001, 01:07 AM #6
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Very interesting Ethan

I'm a bit curious to check one out myself.
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hmmm

that looks very interesting. i do have a few questions though.
1. will a volumizer still fit on the battery side?
2. can the mod be reversed back to a stock setup?
3. what kind of lpr or whatever is that on the front?
4. what kinds can be used
5. is the cost of the, for instance rock reg included in the $100?
6. what is the turn around time got a mailed in gun to be back in the mail?
7. how do i clean the 14 way correctly?
8.and do you have any hoses in different colors?

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Old 09-05-2001, 09:41 AM #8
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Answers to Xtreme01

No the volumizer will not fit on the battery side

The ERA is a drop in mod that can be reversed. No milling, drilling, or tapping are neccessary.

The LPR on the front is a 2k Micro Rock. All mods will come with the 2k1 micro rock unless you don't need it.

We reccommend the Palmers line for the wide range of adjustability and reliability.

ERA, Misc fittings and hoses, setup guide, and the Micro Rock - $100

Turn around time is one day from reciept (customer pays all return shipping and insurance charges).

Cleaning the 14-way is easy. Pull it out via the sight rail and open up the valve (its actually a 5-way SMC valve). clean all grease and metal chips (metal chips are from factory machining). Relube with light paintball oil and reinstall.

We are a cocker shop so yes we have hoses in pretty much all colors.

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This is exactly what I think the Angel should have stock.

No more dismantling your marking to play with silly shims!!! You can adjust your cycle pressure to compensate for different field velocities quickly and easily!

Looks very easy to install and operate.

Yee-haw!
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Old 09-05-2001, 10:56 AM #10
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This actually looks good. I have a few questions though. Forgive my ignorance.


1. What performance advantage would this offer over a darks lpr? Not sure if the darks lpr actually does anything but asking anyway.

2. How do you know what preassure you have the micro rock set at when there isn't a gauge?

3. I am assuming this will void warranties on some angels(My dark angel)

I guess that is it for the moment. I am definately interested in it.


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Good point about the gauge. You can no longer use the Angel LPR tool to check the operating pressure (also a pain in the arse since you have to disassemble/reassemble just to check your pressure).

My "problem" with the Angel LPR was that one day I play at 230fps then the next 280fps. When changing velocities via the minireg I noticed my LPR pressure changed as well (as I expected). I've never had cocking/operating issues but was always curious if being able to adjust the LPR to swing with my various input pressures would do anything.

I'm assuming it'd be ideal to have the LPR operating at the lowest possible pressure that still operates the marker successfully and consistently. Having an externally adjustable LPR should enable this.

I look forward to hearing more about this modification in the near future.
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Old 09-05-2001, 11:05 AM #12
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Amazing job Ethan

That's all I can say. This seems to have the best of all worlds. You did a really great job with this. I plan on getting this mod done after this season. WOW.

Again, if we have our own LPR, could we use that instead? (Sonic LPR?) Or not? How much would it cost if we sent our own LPR to you? And I noticed you said you recommend no knobs since external velocity changes are bad, just for clarification, would a knob on the end make it tourney illegsl according to NPPL rules?

Thanks a ton, keep up the good work. And again amazing job with this, and with keeping it relatively quiet

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Old 09-05-2001, 01:12 PM #13
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We are currently involving WDP to get factory warranty coverage on this part. It does not effect anything but the LPR and we warranty all parts that we make for life (this includes wearable parts). So if you install this (or have us do it) then we will replace all seals for free if they go. This is on any angel not just some angels.

Other LPR'd are just hollowed out versions of the stock LPR to enlarge the airbox. Ours puts the LPR outside the gun so the airbox is increased in size by 400%.

You can take your current LPR pressure tester and remove the guage. Screw a 10-32 hose barb into the guage (it is already threaded internally) and viola you have an external LPR pressure test guage.

LPR pressure does effect velocity thus knobs are illegal in all NPPL tournaments.

Keep the questions coming.

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Old 09-05-2001, 01:15 PM #14
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You can use palmers Rock-O-Meter to check the pressure and recharge rate of the LPR. Here is the design I was working on.

I don't have cad so I never made a good diagram, this one requires a little explanation. The beveled area would have two holes milled thru it in an X, that is what the diagram on the left is trying to depict. The circles above and below the diagram on the right denote the positions of the holes in the body of the gun. The ring around the tip of the pole is to retain the spring. I would probably spin down the pole to the bare minimum needed for structural integrity. I was planning on making it out of 7075(1?) aluminum with industrial anno.

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first of all, this mod looks great, and as soon as I get some cash, my angel is on its way, just a couple of questions though.

Sorry if I sound like an idiot, but:

1. Do you still adjust velocity on the mini-reg, or do I have to do somethin else now.

2. When I send the angel, could I have you guys clean the 14-way, I'm not mechanically inclined, so I'd rather not touch it if I had the choice, I'd pay an extra fee to have it cleaned, if neccesary.

3. Does it cost extra if I wanted to have a different color tubing.

4. Do they make clear tubing??

thanks,
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Old 09-05-2001, 03:11 PM #16
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what's different to BoneBrake's mod?

They cut the lpvalve to bring the operating pressure down.

Just curious of the difference.
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Old 09-05-2001, 03:23 PM #17
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The difference is the Bonebreak costs alot more and does just about nothing while this mod seems to have a primary function (that works!)
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Old 09-05-2001, 03:25 PM #18
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Kick?

I am curious if this mod reduces the kick of the gun?

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Old 09-05-2001, 03:40 PM #19
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what kick? I rail on my angel on 12 balls a second, and I never get the least bit of kick..
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Old 09-05-2001, 03:48 PM #20
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Shooting fast has nothing to do with kick.

In fact shooting slowly makes you notice it a bit more. It's not much at all, but even the slightest amount is enough for your second shot to be a few inches off the first shot. There is a noticeable kick difference in my gun depending on the bolt I use.

Anyway, I am still wondering about my first question.
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Old 09-05-2001, 04:01 PM #21
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besides the cost

Bonebrake mods. brings the input pressure to 225psi from the second reg or the mini reg. Thus reducing the kick and increasing efficiency.

The only difference I see is that you can now run CO2.

Not a flame about the freeflow mod. Just sharing thoughts.
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