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12-10-2006, 01:17 AM
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NXe JRNY
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if god created the universe, what created god?
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12-10-2006, 01:19 AM
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Supposedly God doesn't adhere to the same rules, therefore he didn't need to be created, at least that's the short answer.
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12-10-2006, 01:21 AM
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zoh mah gawd its me
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that is where faith comes in.
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12-10-2006, 01:21 AM
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Donde Esta?
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god has been here and always will be
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12-10-2006, 01:23 AM
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^ the EXACT same thing could be said about the universe
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12-10-2006, 08:48 AM
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Fraggle Rocker
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By religious terms: You can not define God nor understand Him. So asking this question is like asking if Chuck Norris is so powerful can he create a Hot Pocket so Hot he couldn't eat it (see you can't really answer that)
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12-10-2006, 08:59 AM
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god doesnt need to be created. He doesnt follow the rule of our earthly boundrys. Its only so hard to understand because we dont know anything outside of the boundrys of the living world
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12-10-2006, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by -Wombous-
god doesnt need to be created. He doesnt follow the rule of our earthly boundrys. Its only so hard to understand because we dont know anything outside of the boundrys of the living world
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Ah, but we are beginning to understand it. Meet the Large Hadron Collider
http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Con...hatLHC-en.html
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Originally Posted by ak907
^ the EXACT same thing could be said about the universe.
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exactly!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillatory_universe
although current evidence points away from oscillatory universe and points to a model like this
found here
http://vinkovic.org/Projects/Popular...t.III.eng.html
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12-10-2006, 09:08 PM
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Its a cat, just a cat....
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i love how christians, instead of saying...."i don't know" try to talk about how it goes beyond understanding. the point is. everything can be explained...even god and the lack of him.
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12-10-2006, 09:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackoblades
...the point is. everything can be explained...even god and the lack of him.
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I disagree. explain to me that you exist. 
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12-10-2006, 09:16 PM
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well no in the bible it states that God is above the level of human and therefore we cannot understand him fully such as the 3 in 1 father son and holy spirit if hes 3 how can he be 1 you know? these are the things that we as humans cannot comprehend. God did not need to be created he was always there and will be there forever time doesnt apply to him. thats where faith comes in
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12-10-2006, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RamboPreacher
I disagree. explain to me that you exist. |
Descartes put it well: cogito ergo sum.
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12-10-2006, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RamboPreacher
I disagree. explain to me that you exist. |
I think therefore I am
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12-10-2006, 09:26 PM
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mentally unstable
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackoblades
i love how christians, instead of saying...."i don't know" try to talk about how it goes beyond understanding. the point is. everything can be explained...even god and the lack of him.
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care to?
Every true scientist knows that God cannot be proven or disproven, which is why no one tries.
But if you have been gifted with the knowledge that has been debated in the human race since the dawn of time, please share. |
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12-10-2006, 09:27 PM
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Business Cat
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Originally Posted by Topazbullet
I think therefore I am |
...Which is what I said.
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12-10-2006, 09:27 PM
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The Trooper
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackoblades
i love how christians, instead of saying...."i don't know" try to talk about how it goes beyond understanding. the point is. everything can be explained...even god and the lack of him.
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Except that you don't really know that everything can be explained. Perhaps you have FAITH that everything can be explained, but unless you know EVERYTHING and how to explain it (no one does), you don't really KNOW that everything can be explained.
The majority of things that have crossed our paths have been able to be explained, but there's plenty of unexplained things out there as it is.
EDIT: Bingo on Paper-Cut's part. |
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12-10-2006, 09:27 PM
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Control Yourself
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Topazbullet
I think therefore I am |
Cogito ergo sum.  (Descartes I believe?)
Edit: Haha, didn't realize psykotic had already addressed that.
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12-10-2006, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Topazbullet
I think therefore I am |
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Originally Posted by x420psykoticx
Descartes put it well: cogito ergo sum.
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which does not explain to me anything except that you are trying to (or have) convinced yourself that you exist.
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12-10-2006, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by x420psykoticx
...Which is what I said.
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Whoops! I didn't get that email until after I posted 
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12-10-2006, 09:30 PM
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Business Cat
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RamboPreacher
which does not explain to me anything except that you are trying to (or have) convinced yourself that you exist.
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How can one not exist without thought?
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12-10-2006, 09:30 PM
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Control Yourself
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RamboPreacher
which does not explain to me anything except that you are trying to (or have) convinced yourself that you exist.
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If I believe, does anything else really matter?
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