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Old 12-09-2006, 01:13 PM #1
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The Hovind Theory

"Hovind summarizes his highly controversial version of the argument for Creationism into the self titled “Hovind Theory."[56] He acknowledges many contributors to his theory, but claims that if it be proven false then he will personally take the blame. The theory includes a literal reading of the Biblical acount of Noah: Noah's family and two of every animal (including dinosaurs[57]) safely boarded the Ark before a minus 300° Fahrenheit (~-184°C) ice meteor came flying toward the Earth and broke up in space. Some of the meteor fragments became rings and others caused the impact craters on the moon and some of the planets. The remaining ice fragments fell to the North and South Poles of the earth.

The resulting "super-cold snow" fell near the poles, burying the Mammoths standing up. Ice on the North and South pole cracked the crust of the earth releasing the fountains of the deep, which in turn caused certain ice age effects, namely the glacier effects. Also this made "the earth wobble around for a few thousand years" and it made the canopy collapse that used to protect the earth and opened up the fountains of the deep.

During the first few months of the flood, the dead animals and plants got buried, and became coal if they’re plants and oil if they’re animals. The last few months of the flood included geological instability, when the plates shifted. This period saw the formation of both ocean basins and mountain ranges and the resulting water run-off caused incredible erosion — Hovind claims that the Grand Canyon was formed in a couple of weeks during this time.[58] After a few hundred years, the ice caps slowly melted back retreating to their current size and the ocean levels increased, creating the continental shelves. The deeper oceans absorbed much of the carbon dioxide in earth’s atmosphere and thus allowed greater amounts of radiation to reach the earth's surface. As a result, human lifespans were shortened considerably in the days of Peleg.

This "theory" has been criticized for being supported by false and/or misleading evidence.[59] The vast majority of scientists do not take Hovind's work seriously and do not agree with his interpretation of the facts.[60]"

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Old 12-09-2006, 01:14 PM #2
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"Hovind summarizes his highly controversial version of the argument for Creationism into the self titled “Hovind Theory."[56] He acknowledges many contributors to his theory, but claims that if it be proven false then he will personally take the blame. The theory includes a literal reading of the Biblical acount of Noah: Noah's family and two of every animal (including dinosaurs[57]) safely boarded the Ark before a minus 300° Fahrenheit (~-184°C) ice meteor came flying toward the Earth and broke up in space. Some of the meteor fragments became rings and others caused the impact craters on the moon and some of the planets. The remaining ice fragments fell to the North and South Poles of the earth.

The resulting "super-cold snow" fell near the poles, burying the Mammoths standing up. Ice on the North and South pole cracked the crust of the earth releasing the fountains of the deep, which in turn caused certain ice age effects, namely the glacier effects. Also this made "the earth wobble around for a few thousand years" and it made the canopy collapse that used to protect the earth and opened up the fountains of the deep.

During the first few months of the flood, the dead animals and plants got buried, and became coal if they’re plants and oil if they’re animals. The last few months of the flood included geological instability, when the plates shifted. This period saw the formation of both ocean basins and mountain ranges and the resulting water run-off caused incredible erosion — Hovind claims that the Grand Canyon was formed in a couple of weeks during this time.[58] After a few hundred years, the ice caps slowly melted back retreating to their current size and the ocean levels increased, creating the continental shelves. The deeper oceans absorbed much of the carbon dioxide in earth’s atmosphere and thus allowed greater amounts of radiation to reach the earth's surface. As a result, human lifespans were shortened considerably in the days of Peleg.

This "theory" has been criticized for being supported by false and/or misleading evidence.[59] The vast majority of scientists do not take Hovind's work seriously and do not agree with his interpretation of the facts.[60]"

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Exactly why Creationism will never be taken seriously by the scientific community.
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Old 12-09-2006, 01:17 PM #3
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Well i don't take anything seriously when
On November 2, 2006, Hovind and his wife, Jo, were found guilty by a jury in a Pensacola, Florida federal court of numerous federal tax and tax-related offenses. Hovind is currently being held by the Escambia County Sheriff's Office awaiting sentencing on January 9, 2007. He has been ordered to forfeit $430,400 and faces a maximum of 288 years in prison.
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what is the point of this thread, I doubt anyone on PBN belives this.
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Old 12-09-2006, 05:56 PM #5
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and people on PBN believe in scientology?
this is a theory often used to try and back ID.
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no, this is the "theory" used to back creationism
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sometimes Creation as well, some times ID. It really depends on the person who is debating and what they are debating for.
This "theory", and I use the term theory very loosely when i handle anything relating to Hovind, Is flawed and even other ID groups have basically said "we want nothing to do with him." or "his ideas are kind of far out"...Obvious reworded, but you get the point
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Exactly why Creationism will never be taken seriously by the scientific community.
You're a moron. There's a such thing as Christian scientists... if you didn't know that, stop talking like you know everything about science.
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You're a moron. There's a such thing as Christian scientists... if you didn't know that, stop talking like you know everything about science.
This doesn't even merit a response.
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Hovind has a doctorate from an unaccredited university, and the Ph.D is in Christian education. I would trust him to tell me the story of the bible, but nothing else.

He is also wanted for 50-something accounts of tax evasion
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Exactly why Creationism will never be taken seriously by the scientific community.
lol they take him seriously when he rips them up in debates. He actually is a pretty spectacular guy. He is too extreme for me on some things, mainly that comet thing and how he addresses atheists, but other of his theories he does a really good job. You should check out his videos.

Yeah he got sent to jail though. He felt he didnt need to pay taxes on a religious institution or something? Apparently they charged right into his house and arrested him and his wife. Ridiculous how much time he gets for not paying money, then a murderer is on the streets a few years later.
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lol they take him seriously when he rips them up in debates. He actually is a pretty spectacular guy. He is too extreme for me on some things, mainly that comet thing and how he addresses atheists, but other of his theories he does a really good job. You should check out his videos.

Yeah he got sent to jail though. He felt he didnt need to pay taxes on a religious institution or something? Apparently they charged right into his house and arrested him and his wife. Ridiculous how much time he gets for not paying money, then a murderer is on the streets a few years later.
I'm sure he really rips them up in debates with his extremely reliable information.
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Sounds like a reliable man

"He claims three degrees in Christian education from unaccredited institutions of higher learning."

"In 2002, he was charged with one count of felony assault, one count of misdemeanor battery, and one count of burglary with assault/battery."

"Hovind does not run his various educational and religious activities through a U.S. Internal Revenue Code Section 501(c)(3) organization. Instead, the organizational structure he uses apparently is "based on various questionable trust documents purchased from ... a known promoter of tax avoidance schemes."[7] The U.S. Tax Court has concluded that Hovind used these trust documents as well as other fraudulent means to conceal the ownership and control of his activities and properties.[7]"

"In 1996 Hovind unsuccessfully filed for bankruptcy to avoid paying federal income taxes. Hovind was found to have lied about his possessions and income[29]. He claimed that as a minister of God everything he owns belonged to God and he is not subject to paying taxes to the United States on the money he received for doing God's work (citing US tax code §508(c)(1)(a))"

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On July 11, 2006, Hovind was charged in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Florida in Pensacola with twelve counts of willful failure to collect, account for, and pay over Federal income taxes and FICA taxes under 26 U.S.C. § 7202, forty-five counts of knowingly structuring transactions in Federally-insured financial institutions to evade the reporting requirements of 31 U.S.C. § 5313(a), in violation of 31 U.S.C. § 5324, 18 U.S.C. § 2 and 31 C.F.R. sec. 103.11, and one count of corruptly endeavoring to obstruct and impede the administration of the internal revenue laws under 26 U.S.C. § 7212.[36] [37] Twelve of the charges are for failing to pay employee-related taxes, totaling $473,818, and 45 of the charges are for evading reporting requirements by making multiple cash withdrawals just under the $10,000 reporting requirement (smurfing). The withdrawals, totaling $430,500, were placed in 2001 and 2002"
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lol they take him seriously when he rips them up in debates.
Hahahahahaha!

"rips them up?"
they guy's highest science education is high school level.

Creationists don't even agree with him! The guy is a standing joke that made millions ripping off people!
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You're a moron. There's a such thing as Christian scientists... if you didn't know that, stop talking like you know everything about science.
Christians don't need to be justified by the scientific community. If you were a Christian, you'd know that.
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lol they take him seriously when he rips them up in debates. He actually is a pretty spectacular guy. He is too extreme for me on some things, mainly that comet thing and how he addresses atheists, but other of his theories he does a really good job. You should check out his videos.

Yeah he got sent to jail though. He felt he didnt need to pay taxes on a religious institution or something? Apparently they charged right into his house and arrested him and his wife. Ridiculous how much time he gets for not paying money, then a murderer is on the streets a few years later.
Here are some videos:

A radio Listener points out some flaws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wglbviUuXjg

An analysis of Hovind's teachings...You may need to pause it at points to read the interjections, but it will show the flaws and "made up" parts of hovinds debate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNZCcTcOPV0

Hovind Compares Evolution to Hitler...Just to show how opinionated he can become in his lectures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzycgKU569Y

Critical Analysis of Hovind's Garden of eden speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foWdiT9iH44

Please watch these videos...Take time and watch something you can learn from.

And the reason Hovind was arrested was because he didn't believe he had to pay taxes because he "works for god". So he never paid taxes on anything...at all...
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BTW my favorite
Stream this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFm8uCZ6Uoc
And go to 6:14 for some of the opinions Hovind spouts during his speeches.
WARNING-This may offend some watchers.
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