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Old 12-08-2006, 10:52 PM #1
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evolution or the other theory?

what do you believe?
I dont know what to believe
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Old 12-08-2006, 10:58 PM #2
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Evolution is fact. Intelligent Design is simply religion masquerading as a science. It is only a hypothesis, not a theory.
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^ in your opinion.
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*sighs* how many times do we have to go over this.

Evolution: Based on science and the ever going search for truth.
ID/Creationism: Based on faith, by its very nature excludes any fact or science
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That's sig worthy.
If you deny that then maybe you're the one who belongs there...
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ID/Creationism: Based on faith, by its very nature excludes any fact or science
Nice one Overbear, real classy.

Honestly, I think there are only 5-10 people with enough scientific knowledge to discuss evolution on these boards.
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If you deny that then maybe you're the one who belongs there...
If I deny that, it strengthens my position(or at least, what I aspire to be) as a scientist.

Any good (99%) scientist will tell you the theory of evolution is not a fact.
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Nice one Overbear, real classy.

Honestly, I think there are only 5-10 people with enough scientific knowledge to discuss evolution.
Yet you have the scientific knowledge to dismiss evolution?
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If I deny that, it strengthens my position(or at least, what I aspire to be) as a scientist.

Any good (99%) scientist will tell you the theory of evolution is not a fact.
If the Catholic Church is willing to consider that evolution "may have been guided by God" I'd say it has a convincing argument.
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Yet you have the scientific knowledge to dismiss evolution?
I have enough scientific knowledge to see the probability of evolution occurring, yes. Just because I say evolution is not a fact doesn't mean I'm saying it's wrong.
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Yet you have the scientific knowledge to dismiss evolution?
I am both an atheist and a rationalist. However, even I realize evolution is a theory. Gravity is a theory. Relativity is a theory. They have ample empirical evidence, however they are not law/fact.
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I am both an atheist and a rationalist. However, evolution is a theory. Gravity is a theory. Relativity is a theory. They have ample empirical evidence, however they are not law/fact.
But after extensive testing over an extended period when does it cease to be a theory and become a fact? Many of the world's leading scientists and intellectuals regard evolution to be scientific truth. That some form of evolution took place is hard to deny.
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Well, Im expected to get flamed out of my mind, but I might as well try. Has anyone read the second story of creation? It goes somewhat like God takes a rib from Adam, and he makes Eve. Well in biology they tell us that we evolved (over a long period of time) from single cell organisms. They also taught us that single cell organisms repuce from themselves, needing no sexual partner. Does this not make sense? I personally think that humanity made many errors writing they Bible, and didn't get the whole story correct. Flame if you want, I don't care.
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Well, Im expected to get flamed out of my mind, but I might as well try. Has anyone read the second story of creation? It goes somewhat like God takes a rib from Adam, and he makes Eve. Well in biology they tell us that we evolved (over a long period of time) from single cell organisms. They also taught us that single cell organisms repuce from themselves, needing no sexual partner. Does this not make sense? I personally think that humanity made many errors writing they Bible, and didn't get the whole story correct. Flame if you want, I don't care.
I'm not quite sure at what you're getting at. Are you trying to compare the reproduction of organisms to the the creation of Eve?
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I'm not quite sure at what you're getting at. Are you trying to compare the reproduction of organisms to the the creation of Eve?
Yes.
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Yes.
I don't understand how a bibical story could be related to the reproduction of single cell organisms but I guess that is an interesting concept?
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I don't understand how a bibical story could be related to the reproduction of single cell organisms but I guess that is an interesting concept?
Ya I understand. I didn't think anyone would really accept/understand that particular idea. But it's the only one that seems to not conflict with science and religion.
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But after extensive testing over an extended period when does it cease to be a theory and become a fact? Many of the world's leading scientists and intellectuals regard evolution to be scientific truth. That some form of evolution took place is hard to deny.
Laws typically focus on a central concept. Consider the Laws of Thermodynamics, the first of which is energy can not be created or destroyed. This a very centralized assessment. Whereas evolution encompasses many things such as speciation, natural selection, gene flow, and adaptation. Essentially it is too varied and complex to be declared a law despite the wealth of evidence.
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Not to mention laws are more mathematically based, IMO.
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Laws typically focus on a central concept. Consider the Laws of Thermodynamics, the first of which is energy can not be created or destroyed. This a very centralized assessment. Whereas evolution encompasses many things such as speciation, natural selection, gene flow, and adaptation. Essentially it is too varied and complex to be declared a law despite the wealth of evidence.
But can you deny that some form of evolution did take place? There comes a time when a theory becomes so accepted that it could become fact. As you said gravity is a theory but it has been tested countless times and there aren't many who could come up with a sound argument against it. The same is true with evolution. Most of the people who argue against it do so with religion in mind. Christians are very fond of pointing out holes in evolution but fail to recognize the many holes in their own belief system.
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