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Old 12-06-2006, 05:08 PM #1
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Old 12-06-2006, 05:41 PM #2
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I've been Lutheran all my life. It sucks because I live in the capital for church of God, in southern TN and everyone is either church of God or baptist. My church is so small. Only like 3 kids from my big highschool go to my church, and honestly they're all outcast's with no friends. I try being nice to them but they're extremely weird. Oh well. I'd really like to move up north, I understand Lutheran is a prominent denomination up there. A lot of people down here don't even know what Lutheran is, or who Martin Luther is
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Old 12-06-2006, 06:12 PM #3
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My maternal great-grandmother is from Germany, so I really had no choice in the matter. As an adult, I took a closer look at the various churches and decided that I was comfortable with most Lutheran beliefs. My wife, who was Catholic, is now Lutheran.

I recently moved my membership over to a church closer to home and had to go back through the catechism classes. Fortunately this time it was 8 hours worth of classes instead of 2 years. I also went to a Lutheran school during junior high and I was literally at my church seven days a week (5 for school, one for catechism, one for church). It got to the point that people came to me to leave notes and stuff for the pastor.

Lutheran's a bit more common here, but the Catholic church is still the most popular.

Isn't Luther the guy all those streets are named after?
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Old 12-06-2006, 06:21 PM #4
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I've been Lutheran all my life, I'm pretty active in the youth programs at my church, in about a half hour i leave to teach conformation, my class is freshmen boys, their really cool. I've also done some mission trips to New Orleans for disaster clean up, and we went to a low income county in KY. this summer were going to an orphanage/daycare in central Mexico. my plans thus far, are Bradley university for my BA then on to seminary. i haven't quite made up who my number one choice is for seminary yet. I'm liking this forum.
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Old 12-06-2006, 07:12 PM #5
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What seperates the Lutherans from the Catholics?

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who Martin Luther is
Wasnt he the guy who led the civil rights movement in the 60s?

I kid

I took world histroy of the summer and we breifly touched on the Luthern movement, protestant, presbyterian, Church of England, and all that stuff but when you go to a Jesuit school, you dont really get into much detail

All I remember is that Luther had 97 reasons? Why the Catholic Church had gone sour. So he faked his death to escape persecution, and thats about all i know.

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The main difference is how we receive forgiveness of sins. Catholics believe that good works are a route to forgiveness. Luther contended that faith through Christ alone was the only path to forgiveness. My understanding is that we as sinners cannot do anything "good" enough in the eyes of God to atone for our sins.

Check out a book called "Luther's Small Catechism", if you get the chance.
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That makes sense since I remember the selling of indulgences was the straw that broke the camels back for Luther.

So if you sin as a Luther, you're screwed?
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No, we all sin. God forgives us by His grace.
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No, we all sin. God forgives us by His grace.
So, your redemption is just keeping your faith in God strong?
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No, we can not redeem ourselves. He forgives us because he loves us.

We can only be forgiven if we believe in the trinity. And basically, that's all you have to do, is believe with your heart.
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So then damnation is almost impossible?
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The main difference is how we receive forgiveness of sins. Catholics believe that good works are a route to forgiveness. Luther contended that faith through Christ alone was the only path to forgiveness. My understanding is that we as sinners cannot do anything "good" enough in the eyes of God to atone for our sins.

Check out a book called "Luther's Small Catechism", if you get the chance.

There is a much bigger difference between Luthrens and Catholics...
Transubstanciation (Catholics) vs. Cosubstanciation( Luthren)...

The sacraments are the biggest difference..confession being one listed...but the Eucharist is the biggest
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So then damnation is almost impossible?

No, they must be sorry for their sins and have faith that God will forgive them...

No faith = no salvation in the Luthren Faith
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There is a much bigger difference between Luthrens and Catholics...
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The sacraments are the biggest difference..confession being one listed...but the Eucharist is the biggest
Ah yes, I keep overlooking that one. You know, the when's and how's have never been that important to me. I feel the exercise itself is the most important part of it. It's kind of like my view on baptism. It's not important how much water is used, or whether you immerse or sprinkle. I simply can't believe God would invalidate a baptism on a technicality. What is important is the act and the belief itself.
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ive always been curious about lutherans. you guys have alot of the same traditions as catholics, which makes it hard to separate you and call you a protastant religion.

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Luther is credited with being one of the people who started the Protestant Reformation with his 95 theses which he tacked on the doors of the Catholic church in Wittenburg. (Wikipedia link) In effect, those 95 theses were everything he found wrong with the Catholic church of the day. You can consider Luthernism to be Catholic-lite, or as I like to needle my Catholic friends, "Catholic done right." If you attend a traditional mass and a traditional Lutheran service, you'll find them very similar because of their common history.

Luther was a very interesting character. I can't agree with all of his views. He can be perceived as an anti-semite, based on some of his writings regarding Jews.
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Well, if said practices such as the sale of indulgences are no longer accepted in the Catholic Church, what are the current differences between Lutheranism and Catholicism, and is reconciliation between the two groups possible?
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Also knowing the different secs of lutheran can be hard at first but here is the quick secs.

Wisconsin Synod - Most strict...might as well be cathloic

Missouri Synod - Most common...where catholics lose the most to and usually have the biggest debates.

ELCA - Most liberal (will allow women as pastors)...Catholics have given up on them. I refer to them most as the "bring your lighter" to church types.

Non-Denom depending on each church can be liberal or strict. Have to attend each church and see.

Me: Missouri Synod - DEEP ROOTS Father is Director of Africa (He is the head of ALL missionaries, There are only 4 positions like it in the world, he answers directly to #2 in the Church, and often is dinning with the pres.) I have always been lutheran, married a catholic who is lutheran now. I am NOT a mega mod so you can say anything you want to me and I can't do anything about it.
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There's been some work toward reconciliation--Luther's intent was not to start a new church, but rather to reform the Catholic church. Most recently was the "Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification" put together by the Catholic Church and the Lutheran World Federation. I don't know if you'll ever see the Lutheran Church declare itself one with the Catholic Church, but many of the original 95 theses have been reconciled.
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