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Old 10-05-2006, 11:39 PM #22
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I see your point--regardless of the fact that it had nothing to do with what I said. What I was getting at was, how many teachers do you suppose have the mentality to think logically (much less discriminate and engage a threat) under those types of circumstances? In my opinion, that isn't something that can be taught. Also, the first time a teacher inadvertantly shoots an unarmed student, it will be the end of this whole idea.
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Old 10-06-2006, 12:34 AM #23
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You've never challenged a teacher have you?
I challenge my teachers all the time. A lot of them hate me. I support this bill. Contrary to popular (and ignorant) belief, having a gun does not cause you to have urges to kill people over small things. I have quite a few guns, including an AK47 (well, a semi-auto clone), and I can be very ill tempered, I'll get in someones face and yell at them, I'll even punch them or throw them on the ground. However, I have never threatened anyone with a gun, and I never will unless I believe that myself, my friends, or my family are in danger. It doesn't take a genius to know when you should or shouldn't bring a gun into the situation. Every teacher would know anyways that they would get fired if they took out the gun for any reason no absolutely necessary.
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Ok think about this

Guy comes into room with guns, starts linning people up..

a)no armed teacher, guy kills 6 girls

b)armed teacher kills guy, accidently killing one student in the crossfire.

Thats a net of 5 lives saved.
Or

b) armed teacher engages a shooter, kills 3 kids in another room from rounds going through the walls like paper, shooter kills 10 on purpose, blah blah blah...

You can make up hypothetical situations all day long, but there are so many variables that it's pointless to do so. As much as I think guns in the hands of law abiding citizens help decrease crime, I do NOT think it's a good idea to have more guns going off inside a school. It can be confusing enough to have one person shooting in a school. They always have difficulty determining the number of shooters in these situations, how much worse would it be with guns all over the school? Who is a good guy, who is a bad guy?
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Old 10-06-2006, 01:32 AM #25
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Arent the police supposed to like... protect us and our children?
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Arent the police supposed to like... protect us and our children?
A police officer in every classroom?
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A police officer in every classroom?
How about a SWAT team in every school?

I wonder when everyone is going to realize you can't protect yourselves against crazy people.
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How about a SWAT team in every school?
Or an Overbear.

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How about a SWAT team in every school?

I wonder when everyone is going to realize you can't protect yourselves against crazy people.
How about 2 police officers in each school? Is that really an irrational request?
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How about 2 police officers in each school? Is that really an irrational request?
I think if it weren't, it would have been done already.
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How about 2 police officers in each school? Is that really an irrational request?
The problem is that these are such freak occurrences that putting a police officer in every school, every day, is a huge waste of resources. My school, at least, has a police officer who we share with 2 other High Schools in the area. But even if he were around 24/7, would it really matter? If he's not in the classroom when the hostage taking starts, he's as useful as the cops who show up 5 minutes later.
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The problem is that these are such freak occurrences that putting a police officer in every school, every day, is a huge waste of resources. My school, at least, has a police officer who we share with 2 other High Schools in the area. But even if he were around 24/7, would it really matter? If he's not in the classroom when the hostage taking starts, he's as useful as the cops who show up 5 minutes later.
Well, if it happens like Columbine where they just walk down the hallways randomly shooting people, there is someone who can professionally return fire.
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Well, if it happens like Columbine where they just walk down the hallways randomly shooting people, there is someone who can professionally return fire.

he would probably be the first target...
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Well, if it happens like Columbine where they just walk down the hallways randomly shooting people, there is someone who can professionally return fire.
Everyone has heard the saying "Make something idiot-proof, and the world will make a better idiot." This applies to crazy people as well. If I were crazy and I wanted to shoot up a school, there's not a damn thing you could do to stop me. You could actually put a SWAT team in every school, and I promise you I would still be able to take a classroom full of hostages.

If we want to make our schools safer, we need to focus on prevention, not cessation, of these events. How do we do that? I have no idea. If someone had a feasible idea, we would be doing it right now.
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If you put a gun in the desk, couldn't the kid just take it? That just opens up more oppurtunities for shootings since not every kid can get firearms on their own (i.e. parents etc.).

EDIT - Sorry, if somebody brought this up already, I didn't really read the thread.
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My assumption is that the gun would have to be on the teachers person, or in secure location.
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Sooo, the argument against this is - we're afraid a teacher won't be able to pull the trigger, AND if they do they won't shoot accurately? That's all you people have?

I figure, why not let them carry guns - make them get the required certifications for a CCW and make them qualify every 2 months or so they wish to bring it in the school. That at least helps solve 1 of two dillemas we have here. As for them being too scared to shoot - well I don't think there is much you can do about that one. If they think they'd be too scared to shoot, I doubt they'd want to carry the thing anyway.
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Or

b) armed teacher engages a shooter, kills 3 kids in another room from rounds going through the walls like paper, shooter kills 10 on purpose, blah blah blah...
Sorry this kinda shows your ignorance on how self defence rounds work. You figure teachers/staff would be mandated to carry fragnable rounds. This is a round that can punch thru flesh, but when it comes in contact with a more solid object like drywall it shatters apart without going thru more than 1/4" (one side)

Or they would carry "glazers" this is a shot shell with the shot suspended in a teflon gel. Does HUGE dammage to internal organs but is incapable of going thru 1/4" drywall.
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The supreme court, 3 times now, has stated that police are not mandated to protect the individul, only the public at large. That means they are not responsible for your personal saftey.
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Sorry this kinda shows your ignorance on how self defence rounds work. You figure teachers/staff would be mandated to carry fragnable rounds. This is a round that can punch thru flesh, but when it comes in contact with a more solid object like drywall it shatters apart without going thru more than 1/4" (one side)

Or they would carry "glazers" this is a shot shell with the shot suspended in a teflon gel. Does HUGE dammage to internal organs but is incapable of going thru 1/4" drywall.
You completely ignored the last half of my post, and every post I made afterwards...

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Sooo, the argument against this is - we're afraid a teacher won't be able to pull the trigger, AND if they do they won't shoot accurately? That's all you people have?
So did you.

All a shooter would have to do is gun down the teacher first, which would be easy... It's called the element of surprise. Unless a teacher was trained to draw on every person who opened their classroom door, they're not going to stand a snowflakes chance in hell of shooting first, especially if the gun is locked up in their desk.

YOU AREN'T SAFE ANYWHERE! There is nothing you can do about it, it's part of life. Just be glad these kids aren't smart/rich/evil enough to do **** like McVeigh or the nutcases in the middle east.
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The idea of the teacher being armed may be enough of a deterent than the weapon itself.
Its the same with cities that have CC laws. If the citizens can legally carry a concealed weapon, the crime rates are lower than the cities that ban CC weapons.
If a criminal thinks there is a chance you may fight back, he most likey wont attack.
If teachers are armed, a person may think twice about entering a school that can defend itself.
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