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Old 09-30-2006, 08:38 PM #1
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proof god exists? not the banana

at the very least, i think this was very interesting.. tho IMO life itself is the most complex thing.. not just people..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...f+god+ex ists
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Old 09-30-2006, 08:45 PM #2
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Very interesting video, but you could have posted this in one of the two religion threads on the front page already.
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Old 09-30-2006, 08:51 PM #3
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Well, he overlooked one clarification... earthquakes result in very complex rubble, and that is not designed. Complexity itself does not necessitate a creator.

However, ordered complexity is a damn fine indicator.
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Old 09-30-2006, 08:52 PM #4
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evolution? electronics cannot evolve.
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Old 09-30-2006, 08:59 PM #5
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His logic is flawed.
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Well **** guys, I'm a believer now.

I'm off to fight the jihad!
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Old 09-30-2006, 09:08 PM #7
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Well **** guys, I'm a believer now.

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Grab your sword and fight the horde!!


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His logic is flawed.
Short, simple, to the point. A solid post.

...go on?
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Old 09-30-2006, 09:10 PM #8
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Well **** guys, I'm a believer now.

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lol, reading the first line and then scrolling down to see the second made that post all the funnier.
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Old 09-30-2006, 09:13 PM #9
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Short, simple, to the point. A solid post.

...go on?
Thanks. The statement, "Complex design necessitates a complex designer," is a logical fallacy. The correlation between those two terms exists only in vocabular repetition.
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Depends on your perspective. There's a concept of "irreducible complexity." Like, the human eye for example involves many tiny components which, without the whole eye, would be useless. The evolution of these parts seems very unlikely, then, since there is no evolutionary advantage to, say, developing an iris. The organism would have to develop the entire eye (or at least, most of it) before any advantage would be gained... seems unlikely.

....we're off topic again...
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Depends on your perspective. There's a concept of "irreducible complexity." Like, the human eye for example involves many tiny components which, without the whole eye, would be useless. The evolution of these parts seems very unlikely, then, since there is no evolutionary advantage to, say, developing an iris. The organism would have to develop the entire eye (or at least, most of it) before any advantage would be gained... seems unlikely.

....we're off topic again...
Right, but again, that's assuming they evolved in their current form. The human eye is more complicated than, say, the eye of a fish, but less complicated than the eye of an owl.
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oh Jesus Christ, another thread, let me break it down for you.
1.Evolution deals with living things, it will sound rediculos out of context. We know that life evolves, and electronics
2. So we can see design, but don't know the nature of the designer? Does that make sense? This is the argument he is making
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I'm done with all religion threads from now on, unless some one makes a huge error in thinking.
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Old 09-30-2006, 09:50 PM #14
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They all say that. I gotta close up the shop. I shall return, later on.
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Old 09-30-2006, 09:53 PM #15
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He makes a good point.

But the funk street music in the background reminded me that he's not really saying anything different then homeless people in DC say.
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oh Jesus Christ, another thread, let me break it down for you.
1.Evolution deals with living things, it will sound rediculos out of context. We know that life evolves, and electronics
2. So we can see design, but don't know the nature of the designer? Does that make sense? This is the argument he is making
1. What's the distinction between living, and unliving things? at what point in the random chaos did one collection of matter get designated the ability to evolve, while the other collection of matter stagnated?

2. Well, we can see complexity, which seems to contradict the process of entropy in a chaotic system. That's indicitive of an outside force acting to alter the course of said chaos... that's as much as we can take away from complex order, though. There's nothing about anatomy that can teach us too much about the designer of our anatomy... or maybe there is, but often that's subjective, kinda like poetry.
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We will never find proof that God exists. So what if God doesnt exist? Even if God didnt exist, how would that effect our everyday lives?
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Well, in the Bible it says without faith, God is nothing. And proof of God would therefor make faith unnecessary, because it's truth.

So by proving God exists, are they disproving it? According to the Bible. But I've never really talked/read the Koran. They're similar, so I assume they preach the same things.
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Well, in the Bible it says without faith, God is nothing. And proof of God would therefor make faith unnecessary, because it's truth.

So by proving God exists, are they disproving it? According to the Bible. But I've never really talked/read the Koran. They're similar, so I assume they preach the same things.
it says that?
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it says that?
Yep.

I couldn't find the verse, but I've heard it mentioned several times. Even at my church.
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