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Old 09-30-2006, 04:43 AM #1
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If U Werent Nervous Before...nows The Time To Be Very Nervous.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.3930:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092906J.shtml


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Old 09-30-2006, 04:48 AM #2
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who cares about defendants rights? they are Enemies of Big Brother!
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http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold...9/20060928.htm

and why did they bother teaching us about habeus corpus when we cant use em anyway!
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if you would read the law close, it only applys to NON CITIZENS. That means they can't use this aganst a american citizen, something I see no problem with what so ever.
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if you would read the law close, it only applys to NON CITIZENS. That means they can't use this aganst a american citizen, something I see no problem with what so ever.

the Great thing about this country is that everyone, citizen or not, is equally protected under the law and therefore afforded the same rights.
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Good...now scumbag terrorists can't use our overly nice judicial system(it is compared to the rest of the world) to help prolong their miserable lives. As long as this doesnt apply to American citizens...no problem. It would be a problem if they arrested innocent people though.......
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the Great thing about this country is that everyone, citizen or not, is equally protected under the law and therefore afforded the same rights.
and that is exactly what needs chageing and this law will help do that.

non citizens do NOT deserve our rights or protections PERIOD.
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and that is exactly what needs chageing and this law will help do that.

non citizens do NOT deserve our rights or protections PERIOD.
they are not entitled to certain rights, but they do have natural rights
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the Great thing about this country is that everyone, citizen or not, is equally protected under the law and therefore afforded the same rights.
NOT ANYMORE!!!!! BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Overbear's right.
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they are not entitled to certain rights, but they do have natural rights
what praytell are "natural" rights?

The right to plot the murder of thousands?
The right to fly a plane into a building?
Oh, mabey the right to force their religion on others?




the US is for its citizens, thats it.
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I wish people would take the time to read their own links.

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If Mr. tinfoil hat in the truthout.org diatribe would have read it - he really couldn't have written 98% of what he did - could he?

Or perhaps he is referring to the mother ship coming as part of his disappearance.
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if you would read the law close, it only applys to NON CITIZENS. That means they can't use this aganst a american citizen, something I see no problem with what so ever.


Not to mention they're enemy combatants, not joe blow picked up cause he was hitchhiking after 2am.
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Sec. 948d. Jurisdiction of military commissions

`(a) Jurisdiction- A military commission under this chapter shall have jurisdiction to try any offense made punishable by this chapter or the law of war when committed by an alien unlawful enemy combatant before, on, or after September 11, 2001.

What I'm reading is that once they labelled you as having aided terrorist acts, you fall under the bill regardless of legal status.
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Sec. 948d. Jurisdiction of military commissions

`(a) Jurisdiction- A military commission under this chapter shall have jurisdiction to try any offense made punishable by this chapter or the law of war when committed by an alien unlawful enemy combatant before, on, or after September 11, 2001.

What I'm reading is that once they labelled you as having aided terrorist acts, you fall under the bill regardless of legal status.



So don't aid in terroist acts. If you are gona help out some skumbucket terrorist then you deserve the full weight of the storm to sweep down apon you.
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So don't aid in terroist acts. If you are gona help out some skumbucket terrorist then you deserve the full weight of the storm to sweep down apon you.
Being labelled a terrorist and shipped off to Eastern Europe and actually being one are two different things. In case you didn't realize that.

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(a) In General- Any person subject to this chapter who attempts to commit any offense punishable by this chapter shall be punished as a military commission under this chapter may direct.

(26) WRONGFULLY AIDING THE ENEMY- Any person subject to this chapter who, in breach of an allegiance or duty to the United States, knowingly and intentionally aids an enemy of the United States, or one of the co-belligerents of the enemy, shall be punished as a military commission under this chapter may direct.
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`(16) DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW OF WAR- Any person subject to this chapter who intentionally destroys property belonging to another person in violation of the law of war shall punished as a military commission under this chapter may direct.

`(3) PROTECTED PROPERTY- The term `protected property' means property specifically protected by the law of war (such as buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals, or places where the sick and wounded are collected), if such property is not being used for military purposes or is not otherwise a military objective. Such term includes objects properly identified by one of the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions, but does not include civilian property that is a military objective.

My absolute favorite:

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(b) Provisions of Chapter Sole Basis for Review of Military Commission Procedures and Actions- Except as otherwise provided in this chapter and notwithstanding any other provision of law (including section 2241 of title 28 or any other habeas corpus provision), no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any claim or cause of action whatsoever, including any action pending on or filed after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, relating to the prosecution, trial, or judgment of a military commission under this chapter, including challenges to the lawfulness of procedures of military commissions under this chapter.
Might want to watch out Twitch:

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TORONTO A Canadian man urged the country's police to discipline those responsible for the false accusations that led the U.S. to send him to Syria where he claims he was tortured.

Syrian-born Maher Arar spoke to Royal Canadian Mounted Police Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli by telephone Friday and told him he was disappointed nobody has been punished yet for what happened to him.

Earlier this month, a government inquiry cleared Arar of all suspicion of terrorist activity and found the RCMP sent unfair and inaccurate intelligence reports about him to the United States.

Arar, a software engineer, was traveling on a Canadian passport when he was detained at New York's Kennedy Airport on Sept. 26, 2002, during a stopover on his way home to Canada from vacation in Tunisia.

Arar said U.S. authorities sent him to Syria for interrogation as a suspected al-Qaida member, an allegation he denied. He spent nearly a year in prison in Syria. After his release in 2003, Arar made detailed allegations about extensive interrogations, beatings and whippings with electrical cables in Syrian prison cells.

"I told the Commissioner if anyone spent just one night in that grave-like cell in Syria, or suffered just one hit by a cable in the hands of Syrian torturers, they would understand why the answers, and accountability are so vital," Arar said in a statement.

Arar later said in a conference call with reporters that the RCMP has to hold those responsible accountable. He stopped short of demanding Zaccardelli resign. He said Zaccardelli did not promise to discipline any officers.

Arar also said he reminded Zaccardelli that all he wanted from the RCMP was a letter saying he was not linked to terrorism, but that his request was refused.

Arar thanked Zaccardelli for his public apology on Thursday but said he is still waiting for one from the Canadian government. The government has refused to apologize because it says that might drive up the cost of a financial settlement with Arar.

Arar is perhaps the world's best-known case of extraordinary rendition — the U.S. transfer of foreign terror suspects to third countries without court approval.

Arar said he would like the U.S to clear his name as well.
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if you would read the law close, it only applys to NON CITIZENS. That means they can't use this aganst a american citizen, something I see no problem with what so ever.
FALSE. You need to read a bit more closely.

From HR. 6166:

"Any person subject to this chapter who, in breach of an allegiance or duty to the United States, knowingly and intentionally aids an enemy of the United States, or one of the co-belligerents of the enemy, shall be punished as a military commission under this chapter may direct."

Does a NON-citizen have any "allegiance" to the U.S.A.? NO! Who is the enemy? Anyone who doesn't agree with the government! Does that sound like freedom?

Also there are opinion articles in both the LA and NY Times that agreeingly state that this legislation applys to citizens if so desired by the government. People held under this law have no access to legal rights.

It's official: We now live in a dictatorship. Our Republic is GONE. There is no way anyone can say otherwise. This isn't a smiley on the list that displays how infuriated I am. It's even more disturbing to see the multitudes of sheeple blindly allow their freedoms to be destroyed. Enjoy your prison planet. You've earned it.
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