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Old 09-30-2006, 02:58 AM #22
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Or in twenty years we could finally hit Y2K.

Name one job where you don't use English.
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Old 09-30-2006, 03:01 AM #23
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I'm a Christian, and what these people are doing seems a little weird to me. I mean, shaking on the floor, yelling at the top of your lungs, doing war dances with camouflage...It all seems odd for children as young as 7 to be doing that. Children are very emotional and they'll whole-heartedly believe anything they are taught by an adult, which leads me to question how and what they are teaching to these young kids...

But I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe they are having a connection with God that we can't understand. But I'll tell you one thing, my parents wouldn't feel too comfortable sending me to that kind of camp and I wouldn't either.
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Old 09-30-2006, 03:08 AM #24
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It's a charismatic church, apparently...
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Old 09-30-2006, 03:11 AM #25
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Or in twenty years we could finally hit Y2K.

Name one job where you don't use English.
We already 'hit' Y2K.

My dream job actually: exec transport in Kowloon.

edit: wait, did you mean the 'english' taught in school? Or the english language?
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I'm a Christian, and what these people are doing seems a little weird to me. I mean, shaking on the floor, yelling at the top of your lungs, doing war dances with camouflage...It all seems odd for children as young as 7 to be doing that. Children are very emotional and they'll whole-heartedly believe anything they are taught by an adult, which leads me to question how and what they are teaching to these young kids...
But I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe they are having a connection with God that we can't understand. But I'll tell you one thing, my parents wouldn't feel too comfortable sending me to that kind of camp and I wouldn't either.
Makes you wonder if the children really believe, or being brainwashed.....
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I think the word 'indoctrinated' fits the bill much better. 'Brainwashed' applies to changing a persons beliefs, not creating them.
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I think the word 'indoctrinated' fits the bill much better. 'Brainwashed' applies to changing a persons beliefs, not creating them.
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I grew up a Christian boy going to many a churches simply because they didnt fit my (families) beliefs. It seemed as I was in these "Golden Years" that I got in many of arguements. People asking Why do I believe in God. I simply said "Because I believe it as truth." Then they was asked how do I know its truth. I replied "Truth is only conceived by the individual and by that individual only." Now I still feel the same way about my Chrisitian roots however some Christians around me dont see things the same.

They seem to follow doctrine and ideals blindly. They dont question basic things and argue everything, from gay rights to abortion. Whereas I could care less about the latter the Fore mentioned chirstians argue it saying its "Gods will". I say live and let be. Im Christian yet im a normal person. I talk like a normal person and act like a normal person.

To tell someone something then tell them not to question is absolutely ludicrous. Nothing would ever be created or perfected if nobody questioned things. I say uestion yourself, religion, science, your teachers, your parents and everything in this world. If they ever proved evolution I would accept that and move on with my life and to still be a good person. I would not question the logic and try to dismiss it. I will still carry my Christian ideals and beliefs.

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isn't one jesus camp thread enough? Shouldn't a mod be keeping it to one thread rather than spawning clone threads?
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Old 09-30-2006, 04:10 AM #31
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isn't one jesus camp thread enough? Shouldn't a mod be keeping it to one thread rather than spawning clone threads?
Ex mods still have special powers

My post dissapeared, but I will reiterate what I said.

If they become militant in any manner whatsoever then they will lose their tax immunity. Once they lose that their power to form large events will be lessened as they have to be fiscally responsible.

This idea of a tooth for a tooth, or to fight fire with fire is quite basic and doesn't fix the problem itself. All these people are doing is creating a society much like in Pakistan where Marahs turn generations of kids into emotionally driven radicals.

I believe more incidents like this will generate a backlash and a flee from religion as people look to a more personal relationship with God, or flee God altogether.


To the second talking point:

I am all for throwing a kid at age 10 out into the forest and telling him to live with absolutely nothing besides the clothes on his back for three days. That in itself would rid children of their irrational belief of how things are given to them by MTV.

From that I believe children should be tested both physically and mentally in an intertwining curriculum. Children should start some sort of schooling at age 4 and have the ability to end at age 22. They should be taught logic and reason so that they are taught the necessary tools of getting through life, namely problem solving. Reading and writing and basic arithmetic would be an elementary affair and so forth. Also, children should be taught in a non socialistic way so that the teacher doesn't have to please everybody or accept ever answer. There is a right and wrong. This idea of reason would flow to the home as children acted in a reasonable manner and devoid of temper tantrums and such.

There's a short answer because it 2:16 and I am kind of tired. The Jet Li movie was awesome though.
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Or in twenty years we could finally hit Y2K.

Name one job where you don't use English.

Gun trader in a Muslim Market...
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Have we abandoned logic and intellectual rigor in favor of blind dogmatism? If that is the case, how should this be remedied?
In order to abandon something, isn't it necessary to fully utilize it in the first place? Humanity is riddled with blind dogmatism in every facet, whether we want to admit to it wholly or not.

I say let bygones be bygones and if Joe Blow wants to deny rationality for something other than rational thought, so be it. I swear to God (no pun intended) it's probably genetic to do so.
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This is looking an awful lot like a watered-down version of that movie w/ the young palestinians screaming that they love Allah n want to blow up the Jews. People just join these groups to feel accepted into something larger; if it involves giving up their free thoughts for a certain answer to every question of "god did it"...well that makes things much simpler doesn't it.
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Makes you wonder if the children really believe, or being brainwashed.....
I think they're a little too young to beleive. When I was 7, I beleived everything my Mom and Dad taught me about religion, at around 13-14...I started to question it.
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NT dread, it was a cool thread while it lasted

In regards to topic 2 I think the key is to give children a good example to follow by action, not by teaching. It's one thing for parents to drop their children off at a bible camp (i went to more than i can recall in my day) and listen to a bunch of people talk about how much god loves you and you can be saved from the devil by doing gods word. But no where durring these camps do you go out and live by these words, or try and live out the idea of doing what's right over what's wrong, you spend your week doing skits that have been scripted with scenarios that most children wont face, or have little to nothing to do with how people make decisions in every day life, or as was the case with a lot of bible camps I went to you hear lots of skits that talk about why you need to recruit your friends to come to said bible camp.

I credit my upbringing where I think for myself, am not a D-bag, and all around have a good head on my shoulders to my parents. By watching how they handled situations, from meeting new people and wealth to overcoming car repos, and thieves, I developed a moral philosophy for what's really important in life. When I see religions that have these large gatherings that deserve 'members only' jackets it really kind of bothers me because how are you going to gain perspective on your life if all you do is listen to the same small potatos each week?

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Sorry I didn't post sooner, I first threw up at the ignorance in that trailer, then I passed out for the complete lack of humanity.

I feel very sorry for all those kids, it is a parents job to let their children evaluate their own lives and make their own choices, not shove a god damn cult down their throats. When that kid said he was saved at age 5, I just laughed. I have so little concept of what my life really is, and this kid believes his life was saved at age 5.

There are two kinds of people in this world, those that love jesus, and those that aren't ignorant ****s like in that movie.
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The first thing I though was "I would like to go there and start screaming 'praise allah!"
Then, on a serious note, that is udderly sickening, children shouldn't be forced into things such as this. Things such as this breed a dangerous state of mind, even moreso in children.
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People have children with noble aspirations in mind for them at first, but parents end up just trying to create a smaller version of themselves. I use to be one of these kids in the video. My mother is head of the " christian arts " division of our church. I have worn the camo, held my bible as the sword, and shouted war to the devil and his minions. Hell, I even spoke in tongues.

Then I turned 18, moved to the city, and got a taste of the real world.

Now I laugh at all this crap and in hindsight can see it was a total waste of time and my brain. America is too secular these days for any real christian brainwashing to stick. By that I mean, you're not going to have kids growing up into literal soldiers for God. It's all just pagentry. It has a director, script, props and the audience. That's all.
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Where is this 'city' you speak of?
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