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Old 09-17-2006, 11:10 AM #22
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the 2nd pair of eyes allow onyx to shoot >28BPS. If you only have single eyes then onyx only shoot 23BSP

you can tell the difference with small burst of shots also. You don't need to go full auto to see the difference.

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Old 09-17-2006, 12:16 PM #23
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Is there a mode to switch between 2 and 4 eyes?
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no.



The eye system is a chip, not wires. Ill post some pics of a single eye set in a second.
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Old 09-17-2006, 03:40 PM #25
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This is my set of single eyes.




The pink circle is on set of eyes, that is they way a 2-eye onyx would be. The green circle is where the 2nd set of eyes would be.
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Nice pics! Explains a lot. No more pinched eye wires....YAY!!!!!
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Wow, that really is a neat idea.
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Old 09-19-2006, 06:51 AM #28
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Backup eyes at the base of the breech???

http://airsoldier.com/~haveblue/tech...S006966313.pdf

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Backup eyes at the base of the breech???

http://airsoldier.com/~haveblue/tech...S006966313.pdf

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That is amazing.

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I wonder if JT will attempt to enforce the patent...
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Old 09-19-2006, 01:02 PM #31
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JT uses a system to only reduce chopping. The 4 eye system used in Onyx is totally different in operation. They both use multiple eyes but it is how you use the information that counts.
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????? do u understand how patents work??? that patent covers all the uses of 4 eyes , the eyes in the onyx stp chopping
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Old 09-19-2006, 03:42 PM #33
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I have multiple patents myself.


The purpose of the 4eye Onyx to increase rate of fire.
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Old 09-19-2006, 04:15 PM #34
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going faster is a by product of what the eyes do

they allow for lower BIP as the gun is not waiting for the ball to settle it knows a ball has fallen and as soon as it breaks the second beam the gun can cycle this stops it from CHOPPING the jt patent also does the same thing by taking away the guess work and giving time for the ball to settle.

this patent covers every thing the onyx 4 eyes does and just by saying it makes it go faster therefore doesnt infringe would be wrong
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????? do u understand how patents work??? that patent covers all the uses of 4 eyes , the eyes in the onyx stp chopping
Due to too many "broad" patents being defined over the years, the patent office requires an in depth report of how an idea works. This includes the "digital" layer.

So if I make a patent saying "The use of 4 eyes to see the ball" That will get rejected.

If I make a patent saying "The use of four eyes to calculate the rate that a ball passes between one set of eyes, and makes it into the other to perform a logorythm that allows me processes to close the bolt using a calculated time sequence that is proprietary"

They will review that one with the one that says "I will use four eyes to make sure that a ball has completely passed the feedneck, and has settled into the breech appropriately allowing my bolt to close"

and accept it.

The difference between those two is that the second one uses 1's and 0's, while the first one uses an actual calculation to "best guess" how the loader operates, so the hopper and marker can work with each other efficiently.

Now I've only seen these in the pics, and have heard third party information, so I don't know if I'm even in the ballpark on how the Onyx works, but that's what I'd set up.
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going faster is a by product of what the eyes do...
You know how we could make this really easy? Get the patent numbers for both, and compare the patent information.
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You cant patent code it is too difficult to prove. the mere fact the quadra eyes uses them to detect a falling paintball and provide delays for both sets of eyes acomplishes the same thing the as the onyx eyes.

so basically the onyx code is

4 eyes go fast end.

by having eyes above and below the breach you instantly get a speed increase if you code it just to detect a paintball it knows if both sets of eyes are broken for a set amount of time it can fire and due to the fact there are 2 sets it can fire faster cause it doesnt have to sit and wat a set amount of BIP
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There many claims in JT's patent that Bob Long would be infinrging upon, along with many other manufacturers. They may enforce it depending on the popularity of the Onyx and it's syetm, but no on can say for sure. I doubt they will...
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Old 09-19-2006, 06:09 PM #39
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You cant patent code it is too difficult to prove. the mere fact the quadra eyes uses them to detect a falling paintball and provide delays for both sets of eyes acomplishes the same thing the as the onyx eyes.

so basically the onyx code is

4 eyes go fast end.

by having eyes above and below the breach you instantly get a speed increase if you code it just to detect a paintball it knows if both sets of eyes are broken for a set amount of time it can fire and due to the fact there are 2 sets it can fire faster cause it doesnt have to sit and wat a set amount of BIP
You don't patent code, you are correct, you patent the process, and you copyright the code.
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by having eyes above and below the breach you instantly get a speed increase if you code it just to detect a paintball it knows if both sets of eyes are broken for a set amount of time it can fire and due to the fact there are 2 sets it can fire faster cause it doesnt have to sit and wat a set amount of BIP
Your description sounds like it can be done with a single pair of eyes at the bottom of the breech. Once the ball gets to the lower eye it already passes the upper eye, so what good is the upper eye. Older timmies work fine without BIP delay. If the ball reaches the bottom sensor than it is already in final position and does not really need any added settling time.

The JT patent talks about clearing a jammed paintball not speeding up the firing process.

Ask Bob, the Onyx uses a much more advanced predictive process. The left eye board has it's own micro controller the talks with the main boards micro controller. It even has an encryption scheme that only actives if used with licensed main boards.
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Old 09-20-2006, 11:42 AM #41
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...It even has an encryption scheme that only actives if used with licensed main boards.
Wouldn't encryption mess with the delay timing dependant on encryption strength?
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Old 09-20-2006, 11:45 AM #42
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The encryption just enables the board’s communication after power up.
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