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Old 06-29-2006, 02:06 PM #1
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Made a little troubleshooting diagram...

I found an old picture I took of my manual back when I had my Proto.

I thought, what the hell...

So I made a little leak/sound/performance troubleshooting diagram.

O-ring sizes will vary between fuse bolt systems. Consult your owners manual for proper sizes.

Also: For erratic cycling, first-shot-drop-off, leaks/hissing in the frame, and any consistency issues, check your solenoid, routing, LPR, and board settings (especially dwell/FSDO compensation if applicable).
MOST importantly, when troubleshooting ANY marker issue, return all board settings to STOCK. This will eliminate a lot of variables you'd run into otherwise while troubleshooting.

I run into a lot of players that are afraid to reset their board to stock, because they will "lose their 1337 custom tuned setup!!11"
Ladies and gentlemen, you can always write down your magic numbers before clearing them...

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It's nothing big, and most people should already know this, but enjoy anyhow.

EDIT [7 March 2010]: If you are replacing orings repeatedly, and are still having leaks, check the surface of the bolt/sleeve/seat. If the metal is scratched or gouged at all, the best oring in the world won't do a very good job of sealing. Yet another reason to use EXTREME caution if you have to use a pick to extract an interior oring. Brass picks are recommended, as the much harder dental picks can easily scratch/gouge the aluminum/delrin/nylatron/etc surfaces found in many spool systems.

EDIT [April 2011 (Yikes I am in my 20s and getting old!)]: I've been informed that this diagram applies to pretty much the entire DM line, including the newer ones. Same for the Protos I believe. Obviously, use common sense: if you take out your bolt/spool assembly and it looks nothing like this, then the diagram doesn't apply.
I'd love to be more specific, but... I haven't had much time to actually play, much less tech!

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Old 09-02-2006, 11:23 PM #2
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Cleaned up the clutter and added to the sticky. PLease do not clutter this thread

Only use it for questions and answers to leak issues. Thank you

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Old 09-06-2006, 10:30 AM #3
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sorrry about posting here my bad nice thread though love the detail

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Old 09-06-2006, 10:46 AM #4
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I thought my dm4 was leaking from the solenoid but i just replaced the noid and i still hear the leak. the gun won't fire with the leak what do youu think the problem is. also i just cleaned my lpr...so i'm really not sure how to fix this so im wondering if you could help. thanks
this should be really something you start your own thread for
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Old 09-06-2006, 11:19 AM #5
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Old 10-11-2006, 03:22 PM #6
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Had a really loud leak in between the frame and body right in the solenoid area. Only happened for like 2 seconds when i aired it up it was just pesky and had to be fixed. Replaced the o-rings where its says "responsible for solenoid exaust venting/leaking, and erratic cycling". Works perfect without a leak. Thanks a ton f2f4 for the aweome diagram!
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Old 10-11-2006, 03:45 PM #7
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Old 11-19-2006, 02:01 PM #8
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Old 11-19-2006, 02:10 PM #9
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It's been stickied for like 3 months, noob.
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Old 11-19-2006, 06:59 PM #10
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Old 12-24-2006, 08:40 PM #11
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is this the same through all the matrix's (new 06's,07's, and pmr's?)
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Old 12-24-2006, 08:45 PM #12
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^^^ not the PMR. The PMR has the new patented boost forward bolt. The only troubleshooting guide is in the PMR manual, or the PMR troubleshooting thread in sticky.
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Old 01-20-2007, 12:31 PM #13
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Having trouble getting the internal orings on the tophat out? Any suggestions, thanks.
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Old 01-20-2007, 01:40 PM #14
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Old 01-22-2007, 05:47 PM #15
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Omg thank you. I just got a new pm6 and i lubed it and put bolt back in and it leaked out solinoid. Followed diagram and replaced rings a bam it was fixed thanks again.

When I lubed and put bolt back in i must of scratched ring on the body.
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Old 01-22-2007, 07:00 PM #17
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Old 02-11-2007, 11:22 AM #18
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have a bad leak coming from the solenoid area, it wont even shoot i turn the air and and its a really loud leak and so i try to clear it by turning my gun on turning eyes off and shooting and it dosent even cycle it just shoots like theres no air its a really quiet tink tink, plzzz help!
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Old 03-19-2007, 01:15 PM #19
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My PM6 is leaking from my bolt down the barrel and out the back center hole. I've replaced all the o-rings, lubed it, adjusted the regs and it still is leaking. Any ideas?
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Old 03-19-2007, 01:37 PM #20
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^^^ Change the bolt tip o-ring.
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