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Old 11-20-2002, 07:07 PM #1
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Relocation of Servers

Kyle will be moving and installing the PbN servers into our new data center tonight. If the site doesn't load for you do not fear, it just means that work is being done to make it better. I do not expect the downtime to be great, but it will most likely be sporadic.


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Old 11-20-2002, 08:12 PM #2
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Well, I have a minor update

Both servers are now moved. However I havn't brought the new server into the picture yet because there are some kinks to iron out. Sooo, its going to be just as slow as it was until I can figure some stuff out.

Hopefully I can get things ironed out in the next day or so.

RECAP: NEW SERVER NOT UP YET, COMING SOON
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take your time guys, its better to have to wait but get it done right, good luck...
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Old 11-21-2002, 12:28 AM #4
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RECAP: NEW SERVER NOT UP YET, COMING SOON
Will I be able to view this new server in a theater near me?
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Old 11-21-2002, 03:44 PM #5
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so what kind of kinks?
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Old 11-21-2002, 06:26 PM #6
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Well, not to get too technical but heres a rundown.

The server has two onboard Broadcom Tigon3 Gigabit ethernet cards in it.

I was beating on the server at home, and it was running fine under the following linux kernels:

2.4.18 (stock redhat)
2.4.19, 2.4.20-rc1 and 2.4.20-rc2.

So i went and installed the server, got home, and while transferring the DB over, the machine froze. I called the NOC, got them to send someone over there, and met them over there.

I rebooted the server, and tried xferring the db while there. Everything went according to plan.

I went home, dumped a newer version of the db, and went to copy it over. The machine froze again.

So, it was crashed all night.

I did a bunch of research today, and evidentally Broadcom's own kernel driver sucks, so a couple guys from redhat wrote their own.

I was using the redhat driver, which evidentally has a lockup bug in it due to spin_locks and some interrupt issues. I reverted to Broadcoms and still ran into the bug.

I managed to get 2.4.19 booted on the machine, which appears stable, despite the fact that the bug exists in 2.4.18, AND 2.4.20 which is newer than 2.4.19.

*shrug*, if the machine doesnt freeze in the next couple of days, I will switch the db over, but I'm not about to do it if theres any question in my mind that it is gonna crash, because I don't have the ability to remotely powercycle the machine yet.

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Old 11-22-2002, 12:17 AM #7
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Old 11-22-2002, 03:45 AM #8
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That's pretty frigging wierd that you can get 2.4.19 to run, especially considering that the older AND newer versions won't work.

Well, I guess we'll find out whether or not it REALLY works soon enough.

If for some reason 2.4.19 doesn't pan out, what next?
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Old 11-22-2002, 07:17 AM #9
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KILL THE MACHINE

thats if it doesnt work agan


ill take first swing of the bat
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Old 11-22-2002, 07:20 AM #10
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I've noticed that redhat likes to do funky things depending on the kernel.

I ran into a very similar issue with my own redhat server, have you tried FreeBSD?

Slackware would be another good option if you don't mind installing everything manually, only downside is it was i386, meaning, anytime you update something on the system you gotta recompile (i don't, but you SHOULD)
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Old 11-22-2002, 07:25 AM #11
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Well regardless of distro, this is a kernel issue so it affects all linux distributions.

We have to run linux on this database server because the database servers threading implimentation is optimized for linux, and has been known to run crappy on *BSD..
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even if the server does work can i still hit it with a bat?
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Old 11-22-2002, 12:54 PM #13
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i agree about getting rid of redhat. I ran redhat 8.0 on my laptop and it worked horribly, for some reason redhat is very resource intensive. So i reformatted and went to slackware. Everything works finr, not as resource intensive and it is much smaller. Besides redhat is going too commercial and it seems like they are starting to standardize their stuff which kind of start to go against what open source is all about

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goodolE,

no offense, but you have no idea what you are talking about.

i've run pretty much every distro of linux in the past 6 years, and they are all pretty much the same, because its the software that makes the distribution, and the person administrating it, not the company that hocks the product.

As for redhat being larger than most distros, thats true if you choose to install all the crap it wants you to. my default redhat installations are just as small (~400mb) as Openwall linux, debian, or slackware which are the more minimalist of linux distros.

Redhat being commercial.. this is the part that got to me. Guess what! Mandrake, SuSE, Openwall, Redhat, Connectiva, etc.. are all produced by.. you guessed it, companies!

As is mandated by the GNU Public License, changes to a product that is sold as a commercial product must be released in source code form. That means any changes redhat does, either to better the product, or add features such as high availability, etc, must be released back into the open source community for public consumption.

Companies like redhat and suse are the reason linux is moving forward. They bankroll projects like reiserfs which benefit the whole community, not just their distro.

Distros are really just a matter of convienience. Any good admin can make any distro secure, small, or streamlined. It boils down to things like package management and liking where certain distros put files, deal with run levels, default packages, etc.
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can i please hit the server with a bat??? i promise ill only take one swing.
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Not trying to sound mean or anything but do you know when it might be up? or did I miss some thing and it is already up?
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Old 11-23-2002, 09:45 AM #19
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Well, the site is now running with the new db server.

To be honest its probably going to take a while for me to fine tune things, but we should see less slow downs (I hope!)

If you notice anything funny, let me know...
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Well, the site is now running with the new db server.

To be honest its probably going to take a while for me to fine tune things, but we should see less slow downs (I hope!)

If you notice anything funny, let me know...
Im on cable and its loading slower for me.....no time outs tho, I havent tried to upload pics yet.
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