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View Poll Results: Lift the embargo?
Yes, immediately 31 53.45%
No, not until Castro starts making some concessions 21 36.21%
Other (please explain) 6 10.34%
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Old 05-03-2006, 01:35 AM #22
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Cuba is often toted by many liberals as being the shining example of communism in the world. They have specificly dubbed it "Peoples Paradise".

You guys seriosuly never heard this? LOL world newbs...


The already large and growing sentiment in favor of lifting the embargo is pretty bi-partisan.
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Old 05-03-2006, 01:38 AM #23
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http://www.heritage.org/Research/Tra...Aid/BG1010.cfm
Why the Cuban Trade Embargo Should Be Maintained


In this article that's over 11 years old now it says...
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To hasten the transition to a post-Castro Cuba, the Administration should: Maintain the embargo until irreversible economic and political reforms leading to democratic capitalism take place.
Can anyone guess at what these reforms are?

Under the chapter entitled "The Cuban Crisis" I'm a little baffled because it seems to me the impoverished conditions of Cuba that are being used to gauge Castro's declining economy, I'm deducing the rationale to keep the embargo, is part of my rationale to lift it.

-Daily power blackouts
-Scarce gasoline and automotive transportation
-Half of Cuba's work force unemployed, despite unemployment being outlawed
-Minimum wage three dollars a month
-Spike in prostitution among Cuban women to feed their families
-Easily treatable diseases becoming a threat
-Lack of bath soap
-Educational and health care systems in shambles, if that much

And things aren't getting better! And this was written in 94! Wtf m8!

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Old 05-03-2006, 10:28 AM #24
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"the people's paradise" has no worries....except breakfast, lunch, and dinner lol.
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Old 05-03-2006, 03:07 PM #25
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YAAA for repetition. I posted this about 3-4 months ago, if not longer.
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Old 05-03-2006, 04:45 PM #26
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The cuban embargo is a wildly outdated political creature. In essence it was put in place to "oust" Castro and to isolate him. We were not going to have any relations with a communist country.

There are reasons why it is still in place. Mainly because of the Miami/South Florida votes in Presidential/Lower ballot races. You need to remember just how close Florida has been in the last two elections (and how much of a sway all of the Cuban immigrants have had in years past) the Cuban vote can destroy a canidate. Furthermore, Cuban Sugar canes could single handily put the Sugar business of America out of business. Another large sector of voters in the South (general south, not Florida south).

All in all, everyone is right there really isn't any economic benefit for the American people. If anything it is going to be very diffcult on Southern farmers (and norther Sugar Beet farmers). That being said, we have turned Cuba into a hell hole with our embargo. Cuba is generally considered a developed nation. However they have the worst healthcare system for a developed nation. People die each year from siimple things llike the flu, coughs/colds, pneumonia. Not just on a small scale, the amount of deaths are astonishing.

Furthermore, if we want to see Cuba to liberalize it's economy holding the embargo is not going to work. Castro (much akin to Saddam) is using the Embargo as a way to keep himself in power. He blames the American goverment for his people's suffering. He uses it as a rallying tool to keep his power base. Getting rid of it will destroy one of Castro's largest tools.

It is also costing us political capital with other nations. According to the embargo any nation who provides Cuba with the items on the "banned" list, we will not trade with. This policy has been followed relatively tightly, excepting the French. Nations often use Cuba as an excuse to be non cooperative with us. Much like the Libya situtation, lifting (or following the trend of lifting) the sanctions will improve our international image.

Finally, Cuba poses no real threat to the US. The cold war is over. It's time for a new policy. Unfortunately electoral politics and cold war thinking will prevent it.
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YAAA for repetition. I posted this about 3-4 months ago, if not longer.
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Old 05-03-2006, 11:12 PM #28
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Is there a reason to lift the embargo? I cnnot think of a good one. The embargo should remain intact as long as Castro is in power, as it was promised.
What reason is there to have an embargo at all? There's no good reason for it. We just got all butthurt that Castro didn't like freedom, so we said we won't trade with him. I could care less of Cuba was commie. More freedom for the rest of the world (I'm well aware that I am talking about freedom as if it is a limited resource).
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Old 05-03-2006, 11:57 PM #29
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We won't lift the embargo off of Cuba until Castro is out of power. That's all there is to it. We can't concede to a leader who allowed his country to be used as a missile base against our country.
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Right, we can't concede to a leader who's country was used as a missile base against the US. Explain to me then why we trade with almost every Eastern Bloc country? Why do we trade with the USSR? Why are we trading with almost every country that was used as a missile base? The sanctions have ZERO to do with Cuba being a missile base 40 years ago. Though they may provide a SLIVER of why they were started, but it is even more complex than that.

Go back to my analysis on electoral and economic reasons. It provides a much clearer, realistic reason why the sanctions are kept. Do some research.
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Old 05-04-2006, 08:09 AM #32
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Why bother?

Aren't there like 190ish or so other countries he can trade with?
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Old 05-04-2006, 10:08 AM #33
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there used to be, castro/cuba nationalized whatever foreign industries that entered his country screwing the corporations that he entered into agreement with.....and defaulted on all loans that that any country extended...he burnt his bridges already.

nobody left in the world will do business with cuba.
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nobody left in the world will do business with cuba.
Pretty much. Except for Canada and Mexico. And Venezuela. And Russia and China. And the U.S. Oh wait...
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Uhh...what?
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Old 05-05-2006, 09:46 AM #37
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Haha, look at all of the people who voted "No". We don't have to agree with a countries politics/leader to trade with them...
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Pretty much. Except for Canada and Mexico. And Venezuela. And Russia and China. And the U.S. Oh wait...
Like I said, Castro nationalized all foreign industries that entered into the Cuban marketplace.

It is well known the economic strife that Cuba is suffering.....site one outstanding bond Cuba has posted on the international market, there are none because Cuba is in default on all exisiting bonds posted. Why won't the World Bank or International Money fund lend or make investment in Cuba? Castro defaulted on loans and refuses to comply with the structural adjustment policies of the World Bank and IMF that are provisions of support to his dying nation.
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Yes, the embargo is the only thing keeping Castro in power.

how so?
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how so?
Castro is able to blame the economic conundrum on America and their evil embargo. He basically says by them having it America is fighting Cuba, for what?... 40 years now?
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The embargo keeps Castro in power by providing a scapegoat for his hopeless economic policies and continuing domestic repression, portraying him as the target of a U.S. vendetta that is condemned by the rest of the world (yes, 14 consecutive times) and thus enabling him to maintain at least a vestige of his all-important self-portrayal as a defiant warrior against "U.S. imperialism."
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Does anybody else here get sick of mind numbed kids coming here and rugurgitating the liberal media talking points of the day?

NOBODY actually cares...
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