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Old 04-25-2001, 05:14 PM #1
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Anyone got one yet? How are they? Do they increase air consumption?
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Old 04-25-2001, 05:53 PM #2
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The DECREASE consumption by a minimal amount. (20-25 extra shots out of a 68)

It works great, no chops whatsoever.
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Old 04-25-2001, 08:20 PM #3
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ooh 20-25 shots,

the point of the trinity mod wasn't to increase efficiency it was to lower the bolt preasure and eliminate ball choppage. and from what i hear it works extremely well
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Old 04-25-2001, 10:12 PM #4
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Works well if adjusted properly.

It kind of takes a little toying around with it to figure it out. I've noticed that the more you increase the bolt pressure, the faster your gun will shoot. The more you decrease it, the slower your gun will shoot(some skipping). Realizing this....why would you change it? Well, you can change it to get the fastest possible trigger based on how brittle your paint is.....When shooting Powerball (less brittle) I can turn the pressure up slightliy and be OK. When shooting VooDoo(more brittle), I have to turn the pressure down a tad so as not to chop. So in a nutshell, the more brittle your paint, the more you can decrease the pressure. But keep in mind that decreaseing the pressure slows your gun down(causes skipping).....THE good news? It should not even matter if you are shooting under 12 bps!


Thats all for now. Jay
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Old 04-26-2001, 06:40 PM #5
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HMMM.....

If you fools would read you would realize that i asked "Does it INCREASE air consumption...meaning does it use MORE air!!!" Thanks for trying to make me feel like an idiot.
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Mr. Duece, Krymson Halo was like the 2nd person to respond to your post, and his answer was that it DID infact decrease air flow. not buy much. if those numbers are right, your air consumption will be about the same.

"Krymson Halo The DECREASE consumption by a minimal amount. (20-25 extra shots out of a 68)

It works great, no chops whatsoever. "
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Old 04-27-2001, 02:51 AM #7
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Trininty Mod

The Trinity is better on gas than the Rock mod. Both of which use more gas than without. I don't know how much maybe 5%
I run mine double regulated (I have a stock cocker reg at 250 psi on the bottom line) with 20 oz anti syphon co2. I was playing around at my store today with mine and put my finger in the breach and shot it 20 times - I don't need to tell you how unnatural that is. Then ripped on it at 16.5 bps and blasted 230 balls out of a evolution. I misfed probably 20 - you could here the noise of a ball being pinched(not broken) but would clear itself with the next pull. It is something to behold. I have NEVER fired a gun that fast EVER You literally cant chop paint. What I am getting at is that having low bolt pressure does not mean low rof. Get the trinity!!

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Old 04-27-2001, 08:28 AM #8
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But Toyman...I HATE SKIPS! AT 16 bps...no balls load ...try it on full auto with the chypher chip. Jay
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Old 04-27-2001, 10:25 AM #9
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Toyman...it uses LESS air...

This is because the gun is using less air to drive the bolt back and forth. Aardvark can explain it better...but it seems pretty common sensical to me.

Either way..the change is minimal..it's main purpose is preventing chops
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Old 04-27-2001, 02:47 PM #10
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The trinity uses more air than the rock but both use more air that a stock matrix. Lower pressure means more volume!! seems pretty common sensical to me.

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Old 04-27-2001, 03:33 PM #11
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The trinity and FGP regs DO cause an efficiency increase, because less air pressure is used to move your bolt back and forwards. You've got 40-50 psi LESS throwin the bolt back and forth. Sorry, but that IS an increase.



This is per Fatty's post on PBDojo...he is one of the inventors of the Trinity.

Argue it with him if you want.
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Old 04-27-2001, 04:40 PM #12
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everybody has a right to their own opinion (even if it is wrong). lets think about this logicaly for a sec. The matrix operates at a lower pressure that almost any other gun - which is why it uses more air than most other guns. I hope we agree to this point at least. If you lower that pressure more - does it not mean another increase in air usage? Maybee my logic is wacked!

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Old 04-27-2001, 06:07 PM #13
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Toyman,
They are not talking about pressure related to velocity as your argument states. This is JUST psi to move the bolt just as a ROCK moves the Ram on a cocker. SO just as if the ROCK needs less pressure to cock a cocker so does the Trininty Reg......get it? They will BOTH give you better efficiency cause you are using less psi which means less air.

If you are talking about it in relation to velocity, then you would be correct in saying that lower pressure would mean more air needed to achieve the same velocity.
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sorry toyman, u are wrong. Low pressure should use less air, but it is just the way a matrix is set up that makes it a total fatty gas hog. LP cockers and the AKA Excaliber (150 psi operating pressure) are the most gas efficient guns available, and both have super Low operating pressures. When gas gets to a lower pressure, it expands more, where as high pressure air/nitro/co2 or whatever, more air is contained in the same amount of space. Example, you could fit twice as much air into a box if it was 200 psi instead of 100 psi. Filling the box w/ 100psi air would take less air than filling it w/ 200 psi air. This is the driving theory behind LP operation
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Old 04-27-2001, 11:01 PM #15
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oops - I think you are right. Unlike blowback semi's the bolt pressure is not related to firing pressure(or operating pressure) - like a cocker -

I appreciate you putting me in my place!!

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Old 04-28-2001, 02:26 AM #16
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I am always glad to help; as are the rest of the friendly cast of Matrix hores.....hahaha
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Don't know about you but I really would not want to drill a hole in my baby (matrix) so I can have a reg when I could buy a trinty from the guy that designed the gun and all you have todo is screw the thing in. oh and did I mention the trinty is cheaper then a rock reg. The trinty job is to slow the bolt down to stop choppage and ball breakage and if you ask me the trinty dose the job and quite well

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Old 04-29-2001, 10:30 PM #18
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drilling

if someone put a drill near my gun, id take the drill out of his hands and shove it so far up his *** he would be sniffing it.
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Old 04-29-2001, 10:57 PM #19
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I tried the Trinity on my gun and I think it is great
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Old 04-30-2001, 02:08 AM #20
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on the pic of aard's matrix, the chrome 1, it looks like the trinity is smaller, more compact. is this true, or is the light playin tricks again?
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Old 04-30-2001, 04:58 PM #21
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Must be a light trick, I've put many a Trinity on Aard's gun product testing and they're all exactly the same.
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