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Old 08-06-2009, 01:26 AM #211
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Still inching toward those rule violations. Both are very smooth, and it really depends on how you set them up.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:06 AM #212
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Sorry! Well what if I ask about just 1 gun then? Can you put a hitman mod on a Phantom?
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:24 AM #213
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It's possible, but the stroke of the Phantom often prevents it from being entirely effective.

The Azodin gun comes with a "Hitmen" trigger that easily screws into the pump kit. It's actually the smoothest pump-trigger setup I've ever felt.
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:34 AM #214
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Ok, thank you all for your help! Few things since i've made my decision..does the Azodin come with hitman mod now? I've heard that they quit putting it in the kit cause they were bending? Can you silence the farting noise by any chance? Will it be accurate enough with the CP .685 to play back in a speed ball game and be able to rain paint down on people playing back or middle?
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Old 08-06-2009, 01:27 PM #215
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Well, I hadn't heard that they were bending. Then again, if it isn't included anymore, one is pretty easy to make and install.

With a good barrel, it will shoot like any of my personal guns... just louder. If the noise really bothers you, there are ways to take care of that, too.
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Old 08-06-2009, 01:47 PM #216
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Do you know how or do you have to rig it up yourself to quiten it up some? I hadn't heard they were bending either but, it was in a video if i'm not mistaken on youtube or in the comments one..but he said you could email Azodin and they'd send you a steel one if he wasn't mistaking. lol
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Old 08-06-2009, 04:18 PM #217
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I've only seen stainless steel ones, personally. I would be surprised if they bent under normal playing conditions.

Quieting the Azodin is as simple as shooting without holding the handle forward. Of course, this drops velocity and all, so a more permanent solution is to buy a reg and barrel kit, and eventually look into springs.
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Old 08-06-2009, 06:09 PM #218
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Thinking about trying pump, have a few questions...

What's with the steep prices? I see $100 pumps, and $500 pumps.

What's the difference besides quality of build?

To an outsider like me, a pump looks like a pump.

Also, what guns/brands are the Planet Eclipse Ego, or Dye DM of pump?
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Suffice it to say that you get what you pay for. The guns running $400-500 new are top-of-the-line tournament ready guns. Lower priced stuff is usually also very good, but not as smooth, quiet, or efficient. That said, the Azodin Kaos pump is remarkable for the price... certainly the best value in direct feed pumps right now.
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Suffice it to say that you get what you pay for. The guns running $400-500 new are top-of-the-line tournament ready guns. Lower priced stuff is usually also very good, but not as smooth, quiet, or efficient. That said, the Azodin Kaos pump is remarkable for the price... certainly the best value in direct feed pumps right now.
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I don't want to convert into pump paintball, but it looks like fun and I would like a decent gun to use.

I like Azodin as a company, so I will definitely check out their pump.

Can I use an electronic hopper on a pump? They have detents, no? I know it doesn't really matter, but the difference to me is that I can travel light to the field, and just need the extra gun assuming I can use the tank/hopper from my electro.
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Ok, thank you all for your help! Few things since i've made my decision..does the Azodin come with hitman mod now? I've heard that they quit putting it in the kit cause they were bending? Can you silence the farting noise by any chance? Will it be accurate enough with the CP .685 to play back in a speed ball game and be able to rain paint down on people playing back or middle?
Any marker you buy with a good paint match and good paint will shoot accurate. If you match the paint it will also make it more quite. Buy the KP and get a barrel kit and buy good paint with the money you are saving.

To be honest the hitmen mod really isn't that helpful at all. I have no problem holding onto the pump handle when I shoot and have no problem holding the handle when I pump. I had a hitmen mod on my first pump and ended up just taking it off.
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Again, on the Azodin, the Hitmen mod works great. First because it's so smooth, and second because it's closer to the handle and guide rod, which causes less binding.
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:12 AM #223
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I just wanted to try it so i'd see which one I like the most. As for barrel i'm gunna get a CP 12" .685 and after a little while i'll get a CP or Freak barrel kit!
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In case I hadn't mentioned it to you, the Python kit is reasonably priced, and provides phenomenal performance. It's currently my barrel of choice, coupled with a DYE Classic.
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Care to elaborate on how barrel kits work cause Freaks confuse me...you gotta get the back that's 14" and the Front which is blah blah and the tip and insert and i'm always like...huh?
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Barrel kits are made up of (essentially) two pieces. The back is a control bore, sized anywhere from .679 to .695 inner diameter depending on the kit. The front is a larger (often .700+) bore meant to allow air to escape around the ball evenly after it has exited the control bore. This may or may not have an actual effect on the ball, it appears to differ per kit.

Science has shown us that properly bore-matching a bore to ball (for closed bolt guns like snipers and cockers) is most effective when the bore is slightly smaller than the ball, causing a squeeze of the ball as it moves through, a better seal, and even friction around the surface of the ball touching the barrel. This allows the ball to fly as straight as possible, effectively as a "knuckle ball", if that helps illustrate.

With an insert barrel kit, you still have front and back pieces, but the bores come in insert form, allowing the manufacturer to make more variety for less overall cost. More variety isn't necessarily better if all you use is a handful of paint brands, and use the bores you have properly.
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Ok thanks and sorry being such a lil noob! lol Got a link to this python kit your talking about?
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Thanks man! So lemme get this correct it's basically an insert system to help improve accuracy so if you using a CP .689 but, you want a smaller bore for better paint to bore match, etc? Also will the Guerrilla Air 13/3000 ci tank be good for the Azodin? I've heard it's a good and lightweight set up. Reason being is there is a package deal on ebay for the KP, 13/3K, and a GXG hopper for like $200 shipped lol
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Sounds like a good deal. Once you upgrade the barrel, it will be near perfect. One thing I like about the Python kit is that you don't even need to have a high-quality barrel on it to get it to work great. Your stock barrel might work if you take the oring detent off of it.
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Haha, ok! Thanks again and sorry for wasting 2 pages to ask questions! lol
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