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Old 08-29-2016, 10:44 PM #1
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Length of gen 5/6 LP poppet

Does anybody have the length of a gen 5/6 LP poppet? I'm interested in making my own. Either the total length of the poppet stem+cupseal or just the poppet stem will work.

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Old 08-30-2016, 08:28 AM #2
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if no one answers ill pull apart my gun and get you some measurements when i get home.
my micrometer isnt the best, but it is a digital readout.
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Old 08-30-2016, 03:39 PM #3
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Awesome, thanks! That should be just fine. There's probably a pretty wide tolerance on the poppet stem, since you have stuff like the bolt orings and loose bolt pin-ram connection that's all over the place. Plus, I'm a ****ty machinist .
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Would you mind making some gen3 cup seals/stems if i sent you one for a model? pm me and lets talk.
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Old 08-31-2016, 10:03 AM #5
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if no one answers ill pull apart my gun and get you some measurements when i get home.
my micrometer isnt the best, but it is a digital readout.
Did you get a chance to get that measurement?

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Would you mind making some gen3 cup seals/stems if i sent you one for a model? pm me and lets talk.
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Sprry got home very late. And ill be honest I forgot. I should get home earlier today.
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I was able to pick up quite a few NIB cup seals from BLAST this morning for the gen3's
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Sprry got home very late. And ill be honest I forgot. I should get home earlier today.
No worries, thanks for checking for me
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Old 09-01-2016, 12:16 AM #9
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that sdeady cam show read 31.85mm.

hell of a spread lol
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Old 09-01-2016, 09:26 AM #10
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Awesome, thanks! Is that a LP poppet?
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Old 09-01-2016, 09:39 AM #11
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stock I believe.
I had a LP poppet but Im pretty sure I sold it in favor of efficiency.

but Im now questioning my memory, on this matter.
did I sell the LP or stock Nvm its stock- http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3575648
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Old 09-01-2016, 10:30 PM #12
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Oh I was hoping for the length of an LP poppet. I have a stock poppet in my gun right now.

Do you remember the difference in length between the two? I want to say it was about half the thickness of an oring.
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tyronejk, pm me this weekend if this isn't answered by then. If I can find my calipers, I'll measure it.
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Old 09-08-2016, 08:35 AM #14
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I know it is longer, but Not by a crazy amount.
I believe just the facing stem that the ram strikes against is longer.
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that sdeady cam show read 31.85mm.

hell of a spread lol
Sorry, can't be bothered to post my own pic so I'll reference jonotwist's (thanks, by the way, for that).

jonotwist's measurement (HP poppet, brass stem) vs mine (LP poppet, silver stem)

31.82mm vs ~32.70mm for top to bottom (average of 5 readings; reading between the "thick" part of my calipers ranged from 32.70mm to 32.80mm; reading between the thin tips ranged from 32.60mm to 32.70mm. Device was 0'd before reading; though, it's a cheap $10 job from China).

11.30mm vs 11.40mm

6.35mm vs 6.32mm

7.60mm vs 7.62mm

10.30mm vs 10.35mm

12.29mm vs 13.18mm (I measured from back face of poppet to further bevel; ie. I tried to take the bevels out of my measurements)

2.78mm vs 2.77mm

4.09mm vs 3.90mm

6.25mm vs 6.22mm (for reference, this it the outer metal walls NOT the inside of the oring groove)

4.75mm vs 4.75mm

As a check, I approximated the 4.75mm section around 4.10mm.

11.40mm + 13.18mm + 3.90mm + 4.10mm = 32.58mm vs 32.70mm initial reading.

If cheap Chinese digital calipers are good enough for you..............lemme see what you cook up
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Thanks Jaccen! I'll definitely post pics when I'm done.
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Sorry, can't be bothered to post my own pic so I'll reference jonotwist's (thanks, by the way, for that).

jonotwist's measurement (HP poppet, brass stem) vs mine (LP poppet, silver stem)

31.82mm vs ~32.70mm for top to bottom (average of 5 readings; reading between the "thick" part of my calipers ranged from 32.70mm to 32.80mm; reading between the thin tips ranged from 32.60mm to 32.70mm. Device was 0'd before reading; though, it's a cheap $10 job from China).

11.30mm vs 11.40mm

6.35mm vs 6.32mm

7.60mm vs 7.62mm

10.30mm vs 10.35mm

12.29mm vs 13.18mm (I measured from back face of poppet to further bevel; ie. I tried to take the bevels out of my measurements)

2.78mm vs 2.77mm

4.09mm vs 3.90mm

6.25mm vs 6.22mm (for reference, this it the outer metal walls NOT the inside of the oring groove)

4.75mm vs 4.75mm

As a check, I approximated the 4.75mm section around 4.10mm.

11.40mm + 13.18mm + 3.90mm + 4.10mm = 32.58mm vs 32.70mm initial reading.

If cheap Chinese digital calipers are good enough for you..............lemme see what you cook up
10 bucks? woah there mister big money...
cant beat mine for 5 bucks lol
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10 bucks? woah there mister big money...
cant beat mine for 5 bucks lol
Well, $10 Canadian. In comparison to the good ol' USD it's like......Monopoly money
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This is what I'm planning for my poppet:


It's sized to the LP poppet dimensions that Jaccen kindly provided and will seal with an oring instead of a piece of Delrin, so it should be less prone to those super tiny valve leaks that seem to plague G6R's.
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Well, $10 Canadian. In comparison to the good ol' USD it's like......Monopoly money
Haha fair point. I forgot that oir dollar did get ahead a little bit.
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This is what I'm planning for my poppet:


It's sized to the LP poppet dimensions that Jaccen kindly provided and will seal with an oring instead of a piece of Delrin, so it should be less prone to those super tiny valve leaks that seem to plague G6R's.
Intriguing. An oring to seal would be awesome. Similar to the ol' "wrap a 2k2 poppet with teflon tape" in a pinch idea. I know the LP poppet I measured had the smaller end end milled so that a small wrench could slip over top to make poppet removal easier/prevent burrs, but that might not be an option for you (I don't know what you have for tooling, etc). I guess just be careful, clamp/grab the very bottom, and file/sand down any burrs if you grab it too tight.
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