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Old 05-11-2015, 09:23 PM #1
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Just got a mini Orracle and have ?'s


Just got a mini. Always had a thing for these and this will be my first pump/autococker. It has stock bolt and stock internals. I have a dye hyper 2/3 reg I'm going to put on it. What internals/bolt would be good for it? Any other reccomendations? Thanks!
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Old 05-11-2015, 09:24 PM #2
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Old 05-11-2015, 10:01 PM #3
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Not a mini. You don't need to change the bolt at all or ever. If you want to change the internals I would go with CCM but I suggest going out play with your pump for a while.
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Old 05-11-2015, 10:12 PM #4
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I'm a rookie. Thanks ^^
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Old 05-11-2015, 11:02 PM #5
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Think the best thing you can do, which would make a huge difference is an adjustable regulator like CP or dye hyper 3 (I recommend). The only other bolt that you may make a difference is any delrin bolt.
I would not worry about internals, just get ccm spring kit for it, most people wont notice any difference when changing valves though.
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Old 05-11-2015, 11:18 PM #6
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If you're going to replace the whole lower tube go with CCM, but the stock valve and hammer work just fine. Get a madman kit or SLPS springs (haven't tried these but I have a set on the way) if you want to save some $. Blue valve/green main works well with WGP internals if you go with madman springs. If that's a delrin bolt in there I'd keep that, it'll work as well as any other. I'd get either a slider or ccm frame for it, and replace that asa. Those are horrible, they love to stick onto tank threads and grind your fingertips off

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just get ccm spring kit for it
Needs a heavier hammer to work well I think...with a stock valve/hammer and ccm springs, I couldn't get the velocity over 220 and the valve was venting. CCM hammers are a little bit heavier, and their cup seal fits the smaller diameter spring better

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Old 05-12-2015, 09:16 AM #7
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It takes the 2k internals right? Like this
http://paintballgateway.com/ccmaulointuh.html
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Old 05-12-2015, 10:16 AM #8
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yep, that should work
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Old 05-12-2015, 11:14 AM #9
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They don't sell the maddman spring kits anymore. What kind of performance differences would I see if I get all ccm internals vs getting the slps spring kit?
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Old 05-12-2015, 03:00 PM #10
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I wouldn't bother with Madman spring kits. In my experience you can just stock WGP internals to feel just as good with about the same amount of work.

Biggest benefit of CCM internals is the pump stroke should feel smoother.

I would change the trigger frame to a single, slider or hinge, whatever type feels best to you. Also, I would probably replace that on/off. Those tend to be a pain in the *** to turn, but maybe yours is fine. And while preset regs will work, you'll have more flexibility in tuning with a different reg. The Dye Hyper 2 reg should be fine, a hyper 3 may need a shim or two added in to give a high enough output pressure.
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Old 05-12-2015, 03:26 PM #11
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I'd throw your dye reg on and play with it a little, just to see what you want to change. I don't think you really NEED to change anything, it's all personal preference... which you won't know until you play with it.

You have a barrel kit right? If not, that should probably be the first purchase.
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Old 05-12-2015, 03:38 PM #12
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Yea I have a DW freak kit I use for my Geo 3.5. I'll put the dye hyper 3 reg on and probably get a ccm trigger frame. Also a pops asa. Is there a way to flip around the asa so its -15 degree instead of 15.
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Old 05-12-2015, 03:41 PM #13
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I mean flip the regulator lol
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Old 05-12-2015, 10:48 PM #14
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Yeah, there's a star shaped screw in there. I think you just unscrew it and reinstall it backwards.
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Old 05-12-2015, 11:06 PM #15
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Yeah, there's a star shaped screw in there. I think you just unscrew it and reinstall it backwards.
It may not work due to there being a hinge frame on it
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Old 05-13-2015, 08:50 AM #16
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I don't think it'll work with this particular one because the reg won't clear. But it will work with a ccm I think.
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Old 05-17-2015, 09:08 PM #17
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Okay I'm having an issue. So I put my reg on it and tried to chrono it. I can't get it above 80 FPS even with the reg maxed out and the IVA in all the way. Someone told me the spring isn't stiff enough. Where can I can another? Any other option?
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Old 05-17-2015, 10:44 PM #18
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Do you have a reg pressure tester? Set reg to 300-350 then adjust accordingly through ivg
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Old 05-18-2015, 05:45 PM #19
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Is your bolt right-side up? The inlet hole should be on the bottom.
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Old 05-19-2015, 10:05 AM #20
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Lol. The bolt was upside down... I'm a rookie. Its shooting great now. Before you're too judgmental, my electro is a spool. Thanks guys!!
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Old 05-19-2015, 05:27 PM #21
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lol... I'm pretty sure we've all done that at some point...
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