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Old 11-18-2005, 06:55 PM #1
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The Ultimate Mod Thread

Due to the much needed requests of fellow Dye Owners this is a Thread Dedicated to the Modifying of Dm/4/5/6/C and PM5/6 for better Performance. This thread will be strictly for Bolt Modifications, another thread in production will be about Maintenance, and another about upgrading.

Before Modding you should familiarize yourself with the Matrix bolt, how to dissasseble, and how to clean/lube. Here are direct Links:
cleaning: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=597233



First Mod
Top Hat Mod:For Dm4/5/6/C and PM5/6
The Top hat Mod-Fits all Stock Top hats in all Style Matrix Markers.

How:
First: remove the Top hat from the Bolt assembly. Once removed wipe all lube away, for this could cause the tape/hose to come off inside the marker.

Second: You have 2 options here. The first, and where this mod received its name, is electrical tape. You wrap electrical tape around the outside of the top hat. The set amount is anywhere between 5-7 layers, it should take up 1/2 the distance of the wall. The second option is hosing/tubing. The Hosing is more reliable than tape and a set size has been determined, which is 5/8" Inner Diameter x 3/4" Outer Diameter, again it should take up 1/2 the distance to the wall.

Courtesy of Lilman:

Third: once the tape/tubing is applied reassemble the bolt kit and return it to the marker.
Finally: Gas the marker up and fire. If drop off is noticed at first or in a string of shots, remove a layer of tape, and repeat till the drop off is no longer a problem.

REVIEWS:
Quote:
Originally Posted by hyper1
after the mod, increase the input pressure to compensate for the decreased space in the chamber. By increasing the input pressure it will also allow you to lower your dwell (higher input pressure = lower dwell time/the amount of time the solenoid remains open/the amount of time the bolt remains in the forward position). If this mod is done correctly you will also be able to lower your LPR setting (bolt pressure) to reduce the amount of recoil.
Please be aware that the tophat mod performs best when approx 1/2 the wall space on the tophat is taken up with the mod (that's why 5-7 wraps of electrical tape or 5/8" ID x 3/4" OD tubing). Too much tape or tubing will result in drop off issues.
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I had the hpr roughly at 4 turns out. Had my lpr pressure around 80 psi (1/2 turn past factory which is 70psi). My dwell at at 10ms. For the efficiency test I had very very old paint with dimples, and a decent paint to barrel match. For tuning I used newer paint, when I started using the old paint my fps dropped 30fps. I turned up my lpr and hpr up a little to acheive my 297fps avg.
On a leaking 45/2500 fill I got a full bag (cruddy paint @ fps of 297). I still had 500-600psi left in my tank. This is about 100-150 more than I was getting before .
LINKS:
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Pros:
The Top hat Mod Fills the Area in what is called the Dump Chamber.
By decreasing the Amount of space used in the dump chamber one gains better efficiency.
Cons:
If the top hat mod is not done correctly one will experience first shot drop off. The simple solution to this is described in the how-to

Second Mod
530 Mod:For Dm4/5/6/C and PM5/6
The 530 mod takes out two of the pillars in the rear plug of the bolt assembly. By doing so air is allowed to move throughout the gun with more ease. Remember this is true because in understandable terms the quickest route from A to B is a straight line.

How:
First: on the back plug mark which side is top and which is bottom, this will relate to which bars to remove.
Then: remove the rear plug from the bolt assembly.

Now: notice that your marks line up with two pillars; these are the two pillars you will remove.


Then: Take a cutting bit on a dremel and remove these two opposing bars.
File down the ends so that you have less chance cutting yourself/orings

After:

Finally: As always when working on your bolt, clean it off well after you’re done, relube, and put it back together.

Pros:
The marker gains better efficiency, one is able to set pressures lower/higher to his or her liking.

Cons:
Doing this wrong can result in having to purchase a new rear plug ($50). So pay attention.



Super Insane Efficiency Mod:
ONLY WORKS ON DM4/5/6/C
NO PROTO MARKERS

THIS MOD HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN, INFACT IT STILL HAS YET TO BE SHOWN TO WORK CORRECTLY.
The marker gains better efficiency and the user can adjust the LPR, HPR, and Dwell to lower settings.

How:
First: Taking electrical tape, and a lot of it, you wrap in front of the second wall from the back of the rear plug.

*note the tape will need to be cut so it DOES NOT reach the “cage part” of the rear plug.
Wrap until the top of the top of the wall is reached.
Next: Clean, relube, replace.
Now according to the originator, ovenmitt, he is running his marker at:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ovenmitt
I have my dwell at 10, lpr 2 turns out, hpr is set at 155 psi for 290 fps, and heres the killer, im getting over a case of paint off 68/4500, i got 2200 shots off a full fill. Ill have some pics up tonight to show how i did it.
LINKS:
Ovenmitt's Insane Mod Thread

Pros:
According to ovenmitt, the marker is getting over a case per 68/45.
Cons:
Not a lot of review, and a lot of people not experiencing the efficiency gain. Good news is that it isn’t permanent, you can remove the tape…No cutting involved.

Beer Can Mod:For Dm4/5/6/C and PM5/6
The user drills 4 more holes into the front of the beer can, allowing more air flow.
Also a Ghetto Bonebrake.

How:
First: Remove the beer can from bolt assembly.
Second: Simple measure a rough center between each front laying hole in your beer can.
Third: Mark each “new hole” and make sure the drill bit is the same circumference as the previous.

Then: Drill out the holes. Then the track that runs around the the beer can act as a road for air to travel on. Those "roads" need to merge to the new holes.
Finally: Make sure that you have no burrs or rough spots from drilling.
Clean, Relube, Replace

Pros:
Better Air Flow, better efficiency.

Cons:
Can destroy your beer can if done wrong.
ONLY FOR EXPERIENCED DRILLERS.

TheBetterOne's Bolt Mod For Evolve Kits!
TheBetterOne Has Modded The Lucky & Orange Bolts to Fit the X95 Evolve Kit.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by THEBETTERONE
efficiency is still being tested, with dow 33 its at about 925-50 balls per 68/3000 fill, I relubed with hater sauce, haven't re-tested yet.
If anyone wants instructions or info they can PM me.
thanks.
This Mod Requires alot of Patience, skill, and machinery. Be warned that you will screw your bolt if you Try this without any of those three.

This a rough start, And help in Mistakes i've made/Links to previous threads to give exact Numbers ppl are achieving will help in speed of getting this done...


Thanks for your patience.
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Old 11-18-2005, 06:56 PM #2
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Old 11-18-2005, 07:50 PM #3
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i am working on finding the threads with some reviews
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Old 11-18-2005, 08:35 PM #4
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Old 11-18-2005, 08:41 PM #5
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what is that green stuff in the 1st mod, 3rd pic?
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Old 11-18-2005, 08:47 PM #7
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Old 11-18-2005, 08:49 PM #8
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^bingo....As lilman put it in his thread "i'm too good for tape"
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Old 11-18-2005, 08:54 PM #9
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Please be aware that the tophat mod performs best when approx 1/2 the wall space on the tophat is taken up with the mod (that's why 5-7 wraps of electrical tape or 5/8" ID x 3/4" OD tubing). Too much tape or tubing will result in drop off issues. Notice that the garden hose is too thick & takes up the comlete tophat wall. Guys, If you want the best performance from your marker, please do it correctly. This mod has been around for years & has been tried & tested, but lately I've noticed an influx of ill advice or mods done incorrectly.
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Old 11-18-2005, 09:00 PM #10
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hyper1's review says, "If this mod(top hat) is done correctly you will also be able to lower your LPR setting (bolt pressure) to reduce the amount of recoil."

Can someone please explain how after doing the top hat mod correctly; raising your input pressure and lowering your dwell will allow you to lower your LPR pressure.
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Old 11-19-2005, 10:35 AM #13
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Sticky this dont let this hard mans work go to ****
As you can see he has a lot of time on his hands and took a lot of time to make this so nice, plus itll lessen the ridiculous amount of bolt mod threads that repeattedly pop up

BTW you should get a pic of a 530'd bolt seeing as you never did it yourself

hmm i know there is a thread of it around somewhere
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yea I have seen the 530 mod thread but I dont think the search is working right now
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I appreciate the postive feedback guys.
But this is not all my doing.
Thanks to those who made the original posts about these mods, whose original threads will be linked today.
Another Note:
I cannot stress enough that if you don't know what your doing with the marker DO NOT attempt to Mod it.
Some of these Mods are still in a "testing phase" like the Insane mod.
So please don't mess with the gun if you don't understand the workings of a spool valve.
I have asked Hyper1 for some help in #'s and testing of these Mods, hopefully i'll be able to post some real reviews here soon.

Thnx for the support and This is a community thread Guys, not just my doing. Its just as much your doing as mine
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yes, my doing. i like the sound of that.

and i apologize in advance of this clutter post, but it was just too tempting...

i'll give you a handjob next time i see you scott



plus i can get you pics (or you can take them yourself) of my gun taken apart, too
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Old 11-19-2005, 03:59 PM #19
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I want the pics Tonight Ho bag...Of the DM5 and the Tourney...that handjob better be like the kind your roomy gives.
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Another good post keep up the good work man
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