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Old 11-17-2005, 11:47 AM #1
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Cold weather Shocker tips

Okay...I've gotten a TON of e-mails and private messages lately about this. So I'm making a thread about it, hopefully this will help to spread the info...

This thread applies to all current SP markers, Shocker Nerve Ion, but is especially geared for the Ion owners. This is because the Ion may be your first SP marker for many of you, and there are some cold weather issues you should know about. This will be the gun's first trip through the cold weather season, of course.

Cold weather performs two negative actions on the guns. The main one is that the internals often tend to stick up a little bit, due to the temperature of the grease on the o-rings becomming colder and resisting movement. This isn't always a large problem, but it can lead to some velocity drops and other circumstances that require you to offset your settings (bad for efficiency and consistency). If you experience this problem, what I suggest you do is simply apply a more thick coat of grease onto the firing assembly than you normally would. What this does is help to keep the temperature up on the grease, since it would promote more movement (theoretically). In bad cases, such as if you are playing all throughout the day (more than three hours apart) you may wish to crack the gun open in the middle of the day and quickly give it another coat of grease. Letting it sit a while in the cold won't be good at all, and will cause the same issues in perhaps worse results.
This applies to all the different bolts out there, Shocker or Ion, whatever you're using. Doesn't apply as much to the Nerve becuase it is less o-ring depdant, but can still have the problem.

If you're not using dow and plan to play with the gun during the winter, all I will say is don't come and post "why isn't my gun working". That's all I'm going to say about that....lol

With the Ion in particular, hoses will be more prone to leaking (namely, the hoses that are attached to the barbs) if stress is applied. There isn't much you can do about this, except keep spares on-hand and be prepared to switch them out. Thi is only my guess from the other guns that use similar hoses, but like I said this will be the first cold weather season for the Ion so we'll have to take it as it comes.

Anyways, the only other cold weather issue is regarding barrel breaks on the SFT o-ring. if you don't know, this is the o-ring that is placed inside the body, right in front of the barrel, that seals against the bolt during firing. When it's cold out, this stiff o-ring will stiffen up even more, and can very easily cause some problems when combined with stiff paint. When you fire normally, the paint will squeeze through the o-ring, which is okay if everything is warm and flexible, but not so much in colder conditions.
This applies to the Nerve, Ion, and Shocker.
For this problem, there isn't much you can do. You can try using smaller paint, that should help, or you can try using paint with a more thick shell. In extreme cases you can try removing the 17/90 SFT o-ring and replacing it with a softer 17/70 one, however I will WARN YOU that the softer o-ring will be more prone to popping out of place during regular play, which would be a huge problem if it happened during the middle of a game. I don't normally suggest this o-ring switch, but in the cold weather it may be the only thing you can do (as in, take the risk).

Other than that, the markers should operate just like normal. Hopefully this will cut down on all the cold weather questions, and complaints of similar problems which are being causes by cold weather. It's snowing outside my house right now....
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Old 11-17-2005, 12:17 PM #2
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Wow ydna thanks are their any board settings your recommend? i live in WI and here we dont' have warm nice places to play...i know my shocker is set up great for winter but perhaps some toher people might appreciate some setting details
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:07 PM #3
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This is excellent. I was one of the ones who PMed you!
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:53 PM #4
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hey ydna What would happen if the sft o ring did come out???
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hey ydna What would happen if the sft o ring did come out???
Paint won't have fun exiting the barrel with the o-ring.
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When the o-ring isn't installed at all, you'll have some blowback issues to deal with, and most likely have to turn your pressure up to compensate.
if the o-ring pops out of place while you're using the gun, usually what happens is only part of it comes out of the groove, then the bolt slams forward and smashes the o-ring between the bolt and the inside of the chamber....bolt will get stuck in the forward position and go nowhere. very bad.
This is why the o-ring isn't a 17/70 in the first place. Also, this will happen any other time you've got a moving component that slips in and out of an o-ring that's open the the atmosphere.
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I heard somewhere that you should increase your dwell aswell?

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I heard somewhere that you should increase your dwell aswell? IDK
If necessary you can do that, but that's only if you start experiencying issues. I suggest increasing the pressure first, but if you don't have a gauge (can't see the input) then dwell may be better, to keep form overpressurizing things....bad
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Do you suggest upping the pressure/dwell a little?
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now all the fools that used slick honey are going to see why sp says to use dow33. HAHAHAHA
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now all the fools that used slick honey are going to see why sp says to use dow33. HAHAHAHA
And then when they send it into SP to get it fixed, SP will send it back saying "YOU VOIDED YOUR WARRENTY BY NOT USING DOW33 ONLY" it will be great. This forum will also grow with questions of why their gun isn't working.
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ya i think this needs to be sticked untill it warms up out side
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IT should be but some people still don't read them.
But it will be easier to direct people here then having to find it in a bunch of other threads.

So yes! I demand it to be stickied!!!
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I have in the past put KY warming jelly on the SFT o-ring. It heats up with pressure and keeps very well lubricated. Works wonders as far as keeping the o-ring from freezing. If you are having problems feel free to apply it to the whole bolt, although this does void the warranty...

edit: use KY Warming Jelly in conjunction with Dow 33, the dow 33 is still necesary to keep the o-rings from swelling., the KY jelly will only keep them from freezing.
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I have in the past put KY warming jelly on the SFT o-ring. It heats up with pressure and keeps very well lubricated. Works wonders as far as keeping the o-ring from freezing. If you are having problems feel free to apply it to the whole bolt, although this does void the warranty...

edit: use KY Warming Jelly in conjunction with Dow 33, the dow 33 is still necesary to keep the o-rings from swelling., the KY jelly will only keep them from freezing.
That's an interesting idea. Generally I don't recommend greasing that o-ring becuase all grease that goes on it will end up on the ball, then inside the barrel....and that could be bad......but given the right circumstances I see what you mean.
I'll have to try it. Gee thanks for giving me a new reason to stand outside in th freezing cold whilst I test my guns.....lol
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That's an interesting idea. Generally I don't recommend greasing that o-ring becuase all grease that goes on it will end up on the ball, then inside the barrel....and that could be bad......but given the right circumstances I see what you mean.
I'll have to try it. Gee thanks for giving me a new reason to stand outside in th freezing cold whilst I test my guns.....lol
Ah, don't think of it that way. Think of it as me giving you another reason to buy sex Jelly...
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Ive been running a softer SFT oring for a long time and have never had an issue with it. Ive also had guys on the team run without the SFT oring, again without a single issue ever. Just FYI, wouldnt hesitate to try either if needed.
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i am curious if this ky will work or not as well. i might have to test this as well.
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up because if want it know if it works
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