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Old 08-28-2003, 07:47 PM #22
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my internals are stock on my classic... it doesnt chop no short stroking all it is, is u shoot and dont let the trigger recharge all the way and u pull again, cause the ball to shoot out the barrel like 5 inches... also.. it at times will use some air to be able to force the bolt back keeping it fireing at same speeds, but for the crafty design they work awesome and are pretty efficient on air... also on the classics short shooting...i can have my velocity at say 285, and somebody else at the same... the mag still shoots a little further just that the accuracy falls.. but thats where the barrel and paint matching comes into play.. believe it or not
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Old 08-29-2003, 12:25 AM #23
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Not.....unless u have a backspin on the ball.
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Old 10-25-2003, 07:30 PM #25
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except if the gun has a flatline type barrel,or hopup, or cooper t bolt with the paint and barrel math being accorded to the bolt.
these all deal with backspin.
none of those are available for mags. the only thing that does something like that is the galactic systemz zbody.
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Old 11-28-2003, 03:40 PM #26
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will the inteliframe get rid of the short stroking problem
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nuff said about ball pinches
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Old 12-12-2003, 10:53 AM #28
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one note... in the top, the claim was made that "Airgun Designs has NEVER manufactured anything not related to paintball"... this is a complete mistruth. Tom Kaye and the companies he own do quite a bit of business in non "paintball" fields, including a generous amount of contracts with military, government, and law enforcement for "non-lethal weaponry", as well as air-powered projectile delivery systems in a WIDE variety of fields.

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Thsoe aren't made by AGD. :-) Lots of things are made by companys TK owns.. but aren't AGD. Pepperball.com, Perfect Circle paintball, and other companys. ;-) I think the statement stands.
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He never made nail guns. It's a myth that will never die...
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none of those are available for mags. the only thing that does something like that is the galactic systemz zbody.
also, a myth about the z body mag is the level 10 won't fit. This is true. The bolt has a larger diameter (not by much) but can be worked down with sandpaper to fit in the z body mag and work perfectly. The x valve is also rumored to not fit, and it probably doesnt. anyone have anything to add to this? Did they get the x valve to fit? Thanks

I'd try, but $300 is alot if it will not fit with some simple mods.
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Old 02-20-2004, 06:42 PM #32
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I just want to throw in my two cents.
people (worlord and others) say short strokes cause chops, but they dont. they cause the ball to go half way down the barrel and then it gets hit by the next ball you fire. thats not a chop thats a barrel break.
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Old 03-05-2004, 11:18 PM #33
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Q: "does a vertical feed mag need a different kind of barrel?"
A: "yes, you need to order barrels specially made for vert. feed automags. many major barrel making companies make vert feed barrels."

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does this mean a standard feed?
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Old 03-06-2004, 05:54 AM #34
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No, for a standard feed you need the same barrel as a powerfeed.
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Old 03-23-2004, 04:20 PM #35
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I just want to throw in my two cents.
people (worlord and others) say short strokes cause chops, but they dont. they cause the ball to go half way down the barrel and then it gets hit by the next ball you fire. thats not a chop thats a barrel break.
That is untrue at last in my tests. I put a ball halfway down the barrel(14"), usng a squeegee, then took another ball and shot it throught hte gun normally and both came out un-harmed, however they didnt go far.(3/10 chopped) I am using a 14" Progressive with Midnight. Then, i took what i believe is short stroking; put tape on a ball and put it halfway into the breech and 7/10 times it chopped. I used a differnt ball per time. Im using a completely stock e-mag. Level 7 Bolt. Emag Valve. In conclusion, short stroking IS chopping and not barrel breaks. Test it yourself.
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Old 03-28-2004, 08:13 AM #36
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That is untrue at last in my tests. I put a ball halfway down the barrel(14"), usng a squeegee, then took another ball and shot it throught hte gun normally and both came out un-harmed, however they didnt go far.(3/10 chopped) I am using a 14" Progressive with Midnight. Then, i took what i believe is short stroking; put tape on a ball and put it halfway into the breech and 7/10 times it chopped. I used a differnt ball per time. Im using a completely stock e-mag. Level 7 Bolt. Emag Valve. In conclusion, short stroking IS chopping and not barrel breaks. Test it yourself.
uhh how can you short stroke an electronic trigger?
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Sorry i guess i forgot to mention that i was using the mech mode of my E-mag. I thought people would kind of figure that out for themselves, but just in case i used the Mech Mode.
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im a little unclear on what your saying there, it sounds like when you described shortstroking you had the ball half way in the breach and held it there. (correct me if im misunderstanding you) but that would be a misfeed.

what i call short stroking is when you dont let off the trigger all the way and the valve does not recharge enough to shoot the ball all the way out the barrel(or sometimes just a short distance out of the barrel).

I have rethought my comment though and can see rare instances of chopping by shortstroking. one of these is is simalar to running really low pressure through the mag. if the presure is low enough the bolt wont make a full cycle and there is the potential to barly push the ball forward in the barrel making room for PART of the next ball to fall into the breach, causing a chop.
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Old 03-31-2004, 02:09 PM #39
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on yet another reconsideration I've decided im still in the wrong

short strokes cause ball breaks in the marker. I dont feel that me argueing over it being a barrel break or a chop helps, its a break in the gun and sucks regardless. Having me argue over whether its a chop or a barrel break does no one any good in preventing it.

by the way this is not some way of trying to get out of being wrong. you can decide for yourself and make your own oppinion, and if i am wrong feel free to rub it in my face.
others can continue, but as for me im done nit picking others comments and starting debates over stupid s***. <--editors note, replace that word with the word "stuff".

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omfg bubbly boy you are a noob you cant short stroke with an e-mag... you can only short stroke on mech mags... when a ball is only half way in the barrel its not short stroking... its called misfeeding... and results in chopping...
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omfg bubbly boy you are a noob you cant short stroke with an e-mag... you can only short stroke on mech mags... when a ball is only half way in the barrel its not short stroking... its called misfeeding... and results in chopping...
Lets get the facts straight. bubbleboy016 clearly stated that he used the mech mode on his e-mag (you do know that you can with a simple switch make an e-mag fully mech. It basically makes it an RT). That makes it possible to shortstroke.
Second, a misfeed will not cause a chop (thanks to lvl10), only a chuff. It might cause a double-feed.
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Old 04-29-2004, 08:35 AM #42
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Second, a misfeed will not cause a chop (thanks to lvl10), only a chuff. It might cause a double-feed. [/b]
FIRST of all NOOB learn to read the posts... he said flat out that he had a lvl 7 so YES it will chop and he said he was sticking them half way in.... this WILL result in a chop.... get your facts straight and try to read the post all the way next time.





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