I got a techt bolt for my dm5 and am wondering a few things. I am running the full spacers on the bolt also which makes the operating psi 125. I really do not care about efficientcy as long as it stays the same as stock.
I want the quietest, most accurate setting. Will keeping the stock dwell for my gun but lowering the HPR accomplish this or vice versa?
lower your dwell to 16 and lower your HPR all the way down (turn it in) then 1 1/2 turns out and see if it even tries to fire. your LPR should be around 3 turns out with the full spacers.. (About)
you really need a chrono.. but if you can get it to cycle without the bolt sticking by raising the LPR 1/4 turns you'll probably be in a good range..
be prepaired to fill ur bottle a few times.
In my experience with that bolt once you get it set you get all the benifits regardless.. it made mine shoot smoother and bumped my efficiency a ton.
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another question i have. I have all the spacers on the Techt bolt kit and in order for the bolt to stay back the LPR is all the way turned up. Does this even sound right? It shoots 280 fps everytime but I thought the LPR being all the way up was a bit odd
lower your dwell down to 14 and retune your gun (HPR AND LPR) with your dwell at 14.. your higher dwell is probably causing the extra pressure forcing your bolt foward requiring the higher lpr. whats yours shot count looking like?
You will achieve alot better results with the stock bolt than the TechT.
The TechT bolt also works very differentl than the stock bolt. The LPR pressure is not the pressure used to make the bolt move forward but the pressure used to hold it back.
Thats an extremely inconclusive opinion to say you'll get better results with the stock bolt and no explanation.
Aftermarket bolts wouldnt have any success if the stock bolt was so much better.. The stock bolt is easier to set up because its stock and the settings are stock settings and are known to work. Every person Ive ever talked to about this bolt has said your results will be better when setup correctly. Its just a matter of tuning it in.
have you lowered your dwell and HPR?
how many shots are you getting with the current settings?
Why would the heavier stock bolt give better results?
Weight does not matter in this comparison as the bolts don't work the same way.
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Originally Posted by Saul.Matt
Thats an extremely inconclusive opinion to say you'll get better results with the stock bolt and no explanation.
Aftermarket bolts wouldnt have any success if the stock bolt was so much better.. The stock bolt is easier to set up because its stock and the settings are stock settings and are known to work. Every person Ive ever talked to about this bolt has said your results will be better when setup correctly. Its just a matter of tuning it in.
have you lowered your dwell and HPR?
how many shots are you getting with the current settings?
Sure they would. Why? Because people have no clue about how to tune their guns. I'll go on at this point if you want to, but thats not the point of the post.
If you set the stock bolt up correctly it will work better than the TechT in every way, kick, consistency, sound and efficiency. Have you ever had the TechT bolt in your own DM?
No matter how something works people will still buy the upgrade once, twice if they like it, because their DM has not been set up properly. The TechT bolt basically makes your gun shoot like an Ion, not only in feeling, but also in functionality. Why ruin the point of having an LPR by installing the TechT bolt? What will be the point of running the DM at 14 - 16 at Dwell when you have to increase your LPR so dramatically (making it use more air)? This will also cause inconsistency. The TechT bolt makes your gun harder on paint (as you can't regulate the bolts force when hitting the bolt).
Actually yes i have. Ive owned Dm's previously and used and tunes the stock bolt correctly based on the general known way of tuning it and my own failure/success process of elimination on how to set it up.
You have to compare the weight.. You are comparing bolts--everything is compared on a flat plane. The tech T bolt reduces moving mass in the gun. What a bold statement to say it shoots like an ion and there is no point to owning a spoolie with this add-on.
Instead of having the extra mass of the bolt moving back and forth it is just the tip of the bolt near the tophot. Now you can reduce the amount of force you need to move the bolt and reduce kick with the fact that the mass isnt there to create the backward momentum of kick.
You are also adding the popular tophat mod (that comes with the bolt) and the additional spacers that are made to contour the bolt building on the principal of reducing the needed volumne the chamber allowing for more shots per fill.
I see your justification but it isnt entirely true.
YES the stock bolt can work great and an upgrade that isnt NECESSARY.. But to say the stock bolt is superior to this upgrade in everyway and is in escence pointless--i think not. So is a new board. laser eyes. GRIPS especially.. are pointless because its still the same gun and you loose the benifits?
My first hand experience with the techt bolt was increasing my shots per bottle fill by 4 pods on a 68/45 while maintaining a really quiet and smooth shot. others have shot my gun and have Never stated anything but it being smooth and quiet.. Soo.. its hard to prove that as a fact but..its true..
I know how to tune a stock DM and i've tuned mine a few times after rebuilding the LPR and HPR regs.. It still shoots great like a DM does. Although, it shot nicer (TO ME) with the bolt.
This is definitely a tangent.. Albeit an inteligent conversation..
didnt read all the posts exactly.. but this is my take. and exp with a tech bolt vs a stock bolt. (btw ive owned the dm's since the 4 came out)
i love dm;s bc of the way they operate. and how the bolt works relative to the lpr. when u tune a stock bolt u wont get great efficiency. but when u buy a dm u know ur not geting that.. but u get a very smooth and consistent shot that in my opinion their is not a nother gun that gives a beter shot then a dm.
with that being said. the way the tech bolt operates is basicly converting your dm to a huge ion. the lpr is useless in the way it was designed. it keeps the bolt back versus regulating how hard the bolt slams forward. in my opinion i want to b able to control how hard the bolt moves forward. rather then droping my dwell to about 6-8 and turning my lpr to 7+.
ppl who buy tech bolts. buy into the propaganda that their gun will shoot 10X beter. but tech negates the fact of it turns ur dm into a 1000$ ion.
stock/bw > any aftermarket bolt "upgrade"
edit- in regards the the stock bolt weight vs the tech weight.. thats a mute point bc of the way the 2 bolts work. the tech bolt is lighter but bc of how it works it does not work better then the stock.
It's lighter, but it uses alot higher pressure to operate, which will make it kick more. If you have your LPR running at 45 PSI with the stock bolt, it will kick alot less than the TechT bolt operating at 125 PSI (reffering to the OP).
its either more psi and less dwell or more dwell less psi. I think either way the TechT bolt would have less kick. With the stock DM5 settings are 18 dwell and 75 psi. If you change the settings on the TechT bolt to 14 dwell and 125psi It seems they compensate for each other, one being high one being low. Any input?
dlauth15... your forgetting 1 huge factor in your thinking.. if they operated by the same way.. u might b right. but they operate in 2 completely different functions.. so ur theory doesnt apply here
