Clone/shift suggestions

98Pro · 09-24-2012, 04:37 PM

So with the shift kit I've noticed that the increments are large in difference. I was playing Sunday and the evil fit the 81 pretty good but some were a little tight and were breaking coming out but an 85 was too big. If you all were to make new inserts could you all please make a finer adjustment range. Some people prefer coarse but when you shoot brittle paint you need finer adjustment. Also with the clone... I'm stumped as to why with SLP and a super low dwell the i is not affecting chrono speed just effieciency that I'm getting maybe getting maybe 750 balls on a 3k fill. It's boggling because back when it had terrible valve orings with no seal it got much better efficiency. I've double checked all the outer bolt orings and all the valve orings and everything. No leaks. I'm pretty positive my pressure is not an issue because pressure if anything has been lowered over the course of being broken in. I've even made sure I replaced my bolt tip to make see it was creating a good breach seal. This is just crazy. I'll prolly get a pressure tester soon but I just hate having to have a tester when I know all the o-rings are properly fitted. I have a feeling my bolt is too broken in and has too slick of lube because it just seems like it cycles stupid fast. I may try a new switch and the 17s that are the switches assistants at the tip of the bolt keg and in the spacer and see what all of that does.

98Pro · 09-25-2012, 01:25 PM

I know I can't be the only one wanting finer adjustment in bores.

Mark S. · 09-25-2012, 02:51 PM

I wouldn't mind some finer adjustment in the lower bores, specifically a .683. Even more than that though, I'd rather have a .677 and .679. I don't mind underboring a tad if "some" paint rolls through my .685 and some gets stuck. Never have a problem using the .681 in cases like that, but everyone's experiences will vary I suppose.

Zippin35 · 09-25-2012, 03:02 PM

Ideally, if you could make them alternate with the freak kit that I already have, that would be ideal so I would literally have every single bore size.

98Pro · 09-25-2012, 08:10 PM

I could see someone making a freak adapter...

98Pro · 09-26-2012, 09:02 AM

Also has anyone else had efficiency issues? Mine seem weird.

Mark S. · 09-26-2012, 09:06 AM

I'm not sure what else can be suggested on your efficiency issues man. You may just want to have your gun sent into a tech center and gone through. You said the problem started as soon as you polished your parts so to me it seems that your problem has to be related. You're the only one I've seen complaining about efficiency issues that haven't been able to be resolved with the typical fixes (o-rings etc).

Zippin35 · 09-26-2012, 09:18 AM

Ya its either send it in or maybe swap the polished parts with someone who has not polished theirs and see if that changes anything. If it does, well there's your issue.

98Pro · 09-26-2012, 10:16 AM

The wierd part is that anodizing is so thin it could be stripped and the dimension wouldn't change even a whole .001" I may send it in soon.

Mark S. · 09-26-2012, 10:26 AM

Yeah, you wouldn't think that it would affect things like that but who knows!

Zippin35 · 09-26-2012, 10:50 AM

It may be hard to believe, but if that's all you changed and now your not getting numbers it seems pretty intuitive as to what the issue is. Try to swap those parts out and see for sure. You have anyone nearby that can help with that?

98Pro · 09-26-2012, 03:17 PM

Nope because macdev didn't communicate to well with my local store and they don't stock clones so pretty much no one has them.

98Pro · 09-27-2012, 08:13 AM

Well, where do I send it? I mean if it's not orings obviously it's some kind of manufacturing flaw because polishing doesn't remove enough material... Kind of getting lame how I have to have a 3000 fill just to be able to shoot 4 freaking pods.

Zippin35 · 09-27-2012, 08:38 AM

Its a manufacturing flaw that you polished parts which then led to inefficiency? Perhaps I am lost here but you have openly said that after polishing them, your numbers dropped yet somehow its MacDev's fault? Its kind of lame that you refuse to see what the issue is, in my opinion at least. As for sending it in, im sure shootnpoo or timbertiger can assist you with that, not sure what you expect them to do with it short of replace the parts you polished.

Mark S. · 09-27-2012, 08:40 AM

You should probably post a thread on www.macdevmilitia.com as that is the official forum that the techs monitor.

I understand your frustration but I've watched you post time after time over the past month about this poor efficiency yet I have suggested you send your gun in multiple times. You also stated a while back that this problem only started after you polished the internals, so I'm not sure how it can be a manufacturing flaw.

I suppose there is always the possibility of a manufacturing flaw, but I doubt anything would be warranted after you polished the internals, hence voiding the warranty. All I'm saying is that there is a possibility you may have to own up to the fact that you screwed something up by polishing it.

98Pro · 09-27-2012, 09:12 AM

Even though the ano is still there. It's not a true polish it's just smoothing the anodizing. It's simply silly to think polish could decrease efficiency. Plus I have tournaments and practice 2 times a week, I need a gun... It's also sad to see that I get faster and more responses from you mark than I do from real macdev reps and techs... To put in perspective this thread has bee here for 3 days and the only 2 people giving any input is you and Zippin. Point is polishing doesn't cause you to lose 20% of your efficiency. Ever since I got this thing it's either been it had problems shooting or it had that silly honking noise and now it can't get enough paint out of the barrel. There has definitely been some problems with these things and don't get me wrong I love the clone and MAcdev guns but they need to be onto of making sure they can be fixed without having to send the guns in. While some of the casual users may either have a thousand guns like Hebiki or they may not play that much, but for me practicing regularly, I can't have a gun having issues. If it does have issues they need to be user fixable. To say because some one polished parts is the cause of an issue when the same result can be had from just shooting the gun. You wouldn't know that parts were polished if I didn't say they were. I'll even take pictures there's no physical flaws to the drive train that can be observed.

Zippin35 · 09-27-2012, 09:19 AM

While I do understand that you see it as silly, lets look at it this way. You had the gun and all was fine. You polished the parts (pictures of this would help us see how far you went. Especially since now you say its not a true polish, whatever that means) and you get efficiency issues. You believe its some o-rings so mark s. send you some from his personal stash and the issue persists. If nothing but the polish has changed and all things else have remained constant, why are we still discussing this?

On another note, Mark pointed you to a forum dedicated to technical issues, where the techs are on constantly and I have never gone more than 12 hours without a reply, despite the time differences. I did not look very hard, but I did not see a post on there by you about your issue. To continue to waste your time on here, despite all the opinions you have gotten, seems futile. Apparently, we are all wrong as to what the issue is so I guess the next step is to stop posting about the issue with the solution we have given, fix it yourself or send it in. Good day and I do, genuinely, wish you the best of luck as I know how frustrating a picky gun can be.

SHOOTNPOO · 09-27-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark S.

You should probably post a thread on www.macdevmilitia.com as that is the official forum that the techs monitor.

I understand your frustration but I've watched you post time after time over the past month about this poor efficiency yet I have suggested you send your gun in multiple times. You also stated a while back that this problem only started after you polished the internals, so I'm not sure how it can be a manufacturing flaw.

I suppose there is always the possibility of a manufacturing flaw, but I doubt anything would be warranted after you polished the internals, hence voiding the warranty. All I'm saying is that there is a possibility you may have to own up to the fact that you screwed something up by polishing it.

We see every post, we watch all the threads. Mark is trying to help you and he is well qualified to do so,i see all that is being said in here and if everything is being delt with i wont interupt. I have stated previously to you directly to send the marker in but you cant seem to find the time to do so. If you send it into us we can look and see the issues at hand.

For you to try and say that a rep is not helping you is just crazy, i have posted in here and on the militia forums under your posts and questions. At this time there is nothing i can tell you to repair, you will have to send in if you want us to look at it. This is your choice you can keep playing with the marker and keep posting that your not getting what you think you should out of the marker, but untill you have someone qualified to determain that their is a problem with the marker other than what you have done personaly by hand.

Eric

SHOOTNPOO · 09-27-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 98Pro

Well, where do I send it? I mean if it's not orings obviously it's some kind of manufacturing flaw because polishing doesn't remove enough material... Kind of getting lame how I have to have a 3000 fill just to be able to shoot 4 freaking pods.

You can send to
Aggressive sports

Please visit
Www.aggressivesports.net.

At bottom of home page click warranty form.
Print this form out fill it out completely and send in with the marker.
Shipping address and information is on the form.

98Pro · 10-04-2012, 08:31 PM

Have it one more go and switched a bunch of 20s to nice big fat 20s near the back end... Fixed it... Just a tip to keep on hand for efficiency issues. Kinda disappointing all my factory orings were tiny as hell.

Mark S. · 10-04-2012, 08:38 PM

Hmm, that's real interesting. So it made a big enough jump in efficiency for you to absolutely know that fixed it? I wasn't aware that any of the 020's had anything to do with potential efficiency problems. I mean, I suppose the ones near the valve keg could, but I would think the air would have to escape somewhere.

Regardless, I'm glad you fixed your problem!