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View Poll Results: Should teachers be allowed to carry?
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Yes, with the requirements listed.
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Yes, but only administration and office personel
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Yes, with just a CC license/permit
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No, but they should be able to leave their weapons in their vehicles
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No way
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12-21-2012, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by StellarKnight
The issue isn't so much whether we trust teachers to carry a handgun; it's whether it's a teacher's responsibility to forcefully defend the classroom on the off-chance a nutter with a gun decides to let loose. If we task teachers with that responsibility, what happens if/when a gunman shoots up a classroom and the teacher either isn't armed or doesn't use their firearm for whatever reason?
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Is it a teachers responsibility to voluntarily be cannon fodder?
No one is saying we should 'task' teachers with this and make it part of their duty. We are saying that they shouldn't be forced to forfeit their right to self defense because of their chosen profession. Don't want to carry while teaching? Then don't.
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12-21-2012, 02:14 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Orange County
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If we must go down this route then hire more police officers to guard schools and pay for it with taxes on firearms and related paraphernalia.
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12-21-2012, 02:28 PM
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secedere
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Originally Posted by licence2kill
If we must go down this route then hire more police officers to guard schools and pay for it with taxes on firearms and related paraphernalia.
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Why hire someone that has no obligation to protect?
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12-21-2012, 02:29 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Orange County
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ok, ban guns.
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12-21-2012, 02:37 PM
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asmuchtextastheywillallow
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Nashville
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Originally Posted by licence2kill
ok, ban guns.
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12-21-2012, 02:41 PM
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lapping your tears
Join Date: Jun 2004
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Obama would pick up your rifle before your hands go cold, boy.
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12-21-2012, 02:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd_17
We are saying that they shouldn't be forced to forfeit their right to self defense because of their chosen profession.
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Like every other right enumerated in the BOR, firearm ownership isn't absolute; therefore, if teachers don't want to forfeit their "right to self-defense" then they can choose a different profession. I have the enumerated right speak my mind on any topic I so choose, but my chosen profession abrogates that right certain instances.
It's funny how this discussion obfuscates teacher's desires to protect their classroom by shrouding the discussion in terms of self-defense.
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12-21-2012, 02:49 PM
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I think teachers should be allowed to concealed carry, but I am not a parent.
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12-21-2012, 02:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chodeyg
I think teachers should be allowed to concealed carry
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For what purpose?
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12-21-2012, 02:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StellarKnight
Like every other right enumerated in the BOR, firearm ownership isn't absolute; therefore, if teachers don't want to forfeit their "right to self-defense" then they can choose a different profession. I have the enumerated right speak my mind on any topic I so choose, but my chosen profession abrogates that right certain instances.
It's funny how this discussion obfuscates teacher's desires to protect their classroom by shrouding the discussion in terms of self-defense.
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Having to bite your tongue to get a paycheck is nowhere near the same as being shot at. The right to life is absolute.
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Last edited by ladd_17 : 12-21-2012 at 02:53 PM.
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12-21-2012, 02:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StellarKnight
For what purpose?
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Same purpose as everyone else who chooses to get a permit.
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12-21-2012, 03:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd_17
Having to bite your tongue to get a paycheck is nowhere near the same as being shot at. The right to life is absolute.
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So it's OK to abrogate certain inalienable rights, but not others? I don't think that's a path you want to trek down. Your absolute right to life is somehow more important than my absolute right to liberty (if we're using the standard as established by the Dec. of Independence)?
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12-21-2012, 03:01 PM
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How does someone carrying a firearm abrogate your right to Liberty?
Until that firearm is actually used to hurt you, the only thing hindering your liberty is your own paranoia.
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12-21-2012, 03:03 PM
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That just happened
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Agree with most of what you listed.
Monthly required range fire sessions - That is asking far too much.
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12-21-2012, 03:08 PM
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secedere
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Should teacher be allowed to carry?
This is a decision best left up to the individual communities. The general government should have no say in the matter, and depending on the state's constitution, it's say should be limited as well.
It should not be a requirement. I haven't quite thought out the collateral duty vs individual right argument, yet. I think I will sit on it for a bit and see what hatches.
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12-21-2012, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaNeo36
Isn't it ironic that OB is equating trust with teachers teaching kids and trusting teacher firearm ownership in schools when he can't spell or use proper grammar?
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12-21-2012, 03:18 PM
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With the restrictions listed and mandatory training, I vote yes. This isn't a fix for the entire problem, but it is a legitimate step in protecting schools.
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12-21-2012, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by yuik
Yuik- Objection your honor relevance?
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Overbear: better 10 innocent men be convicted, than a single guilty man go free to commit more crime.
Overbear: I prefer that I be given a license to shoot anyone who would pick socialism or communism over the basic freedoms inherent to consumerism.
MatrixBaller04 AKA EricS6661: I can guarantee something will happen between now and February 9th.
yesme: i'm not saying you should invest in gold first off, you would be much better off to invest in food,stuff you use and will keep for a couple of years, like razors
Blake360: in highschool, my teacher's father worked for the CIA and she brought my class documents proving the Roswell crash was of extraterrestrial origin.
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12-21-2012, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch
Band-Aid solution.
No, they should not.
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the president doesn't think it's a band-aid solution....just look at his guards.
Nor do banks, court houses, and pretty much any other government building outside of an elementary school. I guess that's not important enough.
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12-21-2012, 04:34 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Originally Posted by licence2kill
ok, ban guns.
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guns are here to stay...we can't go back in time and stop their creation just like we can't go back in time and stop drugs from being created.
Name me a time in history in which any sort of prohibition law has worked? Banning them will just create a black market for it. You wont' see any drop in crime whatsoever. In fact the evidence points to an increase in crime.
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12-21-2012, 05:46 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2012
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The fact that anyone feels secure where they are is because of self delusion. At any moment an infinite amount of possibilities could happen. Remember that whether or not you are carrying, a weapon, makes a huge difference in the ability you have to control whether you live or die. Being trained also is a huge part if you expect to survive. Look at Israel for example. Everyone fights, mothers, sons, daughters etc. because their world is a warzone. Until we can fix our country, **** our world, and the people who cause the violence you have no logical choice than to always prepare yourself for the worst. If you don't your lying to yourself. "O that won't happen to me!"
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