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11-03-2012, 05:10 PM
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secedere
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Originally Posted by drgonzo
Paying workers more is not expansion and hiring to alleviate overwork is not expansion either. Most if not many companies run smaller staffs than needed for standard workloads -- America's workers consistently rank near the top in productivity due to their long hours and heavy workloads. Most people who have worked for a decent length of time have seen positions cut and the work divvied up among the remaining workers.
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That is a result of crazy business organization models that work when you have good leadership, and crazy **** from Japan (separate things, just to clarify).
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11-04-2012, 06:42 AM
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Liberty or Death
Join Date: Apr 2001
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Originally Posted by Treghc
You cannot endlessly expand a company and keep hiring new workers.
I'd argue that giving funding to support a stronger foundation (youth education, training, health, science and medical research, etc.) is a better long-term deal for the economy. Also, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is a world-wide program. It's helping the lives of people around the planet.
I don't want to go off topic though. I simply wanted to point out that some of the world's richest people do, in fact, give a good portion of their wealth back to the world.
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Then they're practicing the conservative model of keeping the government out of the business of redistribution and relying on charities to take care of the poor and downtrodden. If they practiced what they preach, they'd give that money to the government, which they claim is the most efficient and effective distributor of resources.
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11-04-2012, 12:00 PM
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POOP
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Seeing as government has been in the business of redistribution since the dawn of civilization the conservative position would be to maintain that function.
Of course definitions change, but just saying.
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11-04-2012, 12:08 PM
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secedere
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Yea, we're not about monarchies anymore.
BUT I bring something to the table - not all governments were about redistribution.
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11-05-2012, 09:16 PM
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Legen (wait for it) Dary
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Twin Cities
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Originally Posted by drgonzo
They should just work to encourage the companies they own to pay their employees more, and hire more workers to keep the workloads sane. That would do more for the economy and the country than foundation giving.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drgonzo
Paying workers more is not expansion and hiring to alleviate overwork is not expansion either. Most if not many companies run smaller staffs than needed for standard workloads -- America's workers consistently rank near the top in productivity due to their long hours and heavy workloads. Most people who have worked for a decent length of time have seen positions cut and the work divvied up among the remaining workers.
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So they are supposed to pay current workers more yet reduce their hours, and hire more workers? |
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11-05-2012, 09:38 PM
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Words and Stuff
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Originally Posted by benji25
So they are supposed to pay current workers more yet reduce their hours, and hire more workers?
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Country Ratio of Pay: CEO to Average Worker
Japan 11:1
Germany 12:1
France 15:1
Italy 20:1
Canada 20:1
South Africa 21:1
Britain 22:1
Mexico 47:1
Venezuela 50:1
United States 475:1
Income inequality is bad. You can reduce it by choosing to pay workers more or by redistribution of wealth (via taxes).
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11-05-2012, 09:43 PM
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lapping your tears
Join Date: Jun 2004
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Average CEO salary in the US is around $180k/yr.
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11-05-2012, 10:14 PM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47565818.../#.UJiLnWf9JIg
So who gets to determine how much is enough for CEO's?
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11-05-2012, 10:35 PM
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POOP
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Originally Posted by AlphaNeo36
Average CEO salary in the US is around $180k/yr.
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What he meant was within the same company. |
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11-05-2012, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaNeo36
Average CEO salary in the US is around $180k/yr.
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Eh?
Average CEO pay $9.6M in 2011
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11-05-2012, 10:37 PM
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lapping your tears
Join Date: Jun 2004
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http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes111011.htm#(2)
Points are easier to make when you choose the sample by hand.
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Overbear: I prefer that I be given a license to shoot anyone who would pick socialism or communism over the basic freedoms inherent to consumerism.
MatrixBaller04 AKA EricS6661: I can guarantee something will happen between now and February 9th.
yesme: i'm not saying you should invest in gold first off, you would be much better off to invest in food,stuff you use and will keep for a couple of years, like razors
Blake360: in highschool, my teacher's father worked for the CIA and she brought my class documents proving the Roswell crash was of extraterrestrial origin.
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11-05-2012, 11:04 PM
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lapping your tears
Join Date: Jun 2004
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Originally Posted by licence2kill
What he meant was within the same company.
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Right, but it's built upon the narrative of cherry picking the most profitable companies in the most productive country which is depicted in gonzo's post.
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Overbear: I prefer that I be given a license to shoot anyone who would pick socialism or communism over the basic freedoms inherent to consumerism.
MatrixBaller04 AKA EricS6661: I can guarantee something will happen between now and February 9th.
yesme: i'm not saying you should invest in gold first off, you would be much better off to invest in food,stuff you use and will keep for a couple of years, like razors
Blake360: in highschool, my teacher's father worked for the CIA and she brought my class documents proving the Roswell crash was of extraterrestrial origin.
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11-05-2012, 11:24 PM
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Hitmanimal
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by custar
So who gets to determine how much is enough for CEO's?
custar
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Preferably not themselves or their buddies on the board.
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11-05-2012, 11:35 PM
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Goooonsberry
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: NWA
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Originally Posted by Umami
Preferably not themselves or their buddies on the board.
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Who else would that's in the company? Or would you rather government?
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11-05-2012, 11:46 PM
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Half-cocked
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Originally Posted by AlphaNeo36
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The BLS figures only reflect salary, executive compensation is largely nonsalary.
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11-05-2012, 11:51 PM
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Hitmanimal
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by tsbalr120
Who else would that's in the company? Or would you rather government?
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*shudders* no.
In an ideal world corporations would be employee-owned, so corporate pay would be determined by those with a long-term stake in the company.
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11-05-2012, 11:53 PM
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lapping your tears
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: 765-IN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drgonzo
The BLS figures only reflect salary, executive compensation is largely nonsalary.
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Point is still the same.
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Overbear: better 10 innocent men be convicted, than a single guilty man go free to commit more crime.
Overbear: I prefer that I be given a license to shoot anyone who would pick socialism or communism over the basic freedoms inherent to consumerism.
MatrixBaller04 AKA EricS6661: I can guarantee something will happen between now and February 9th.
yesme: i'm not saying you should invest in gold first off, you would be much better off to invest in food,stuff you use and will keep for a couple of years, like razors
Blake360: in highschool, my teacher's father worked for the CIA and she brought my class documents proving the Roswell crash was of extraterrestrial origin.
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11-05-2012, 11:57 PM
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Legen (wait for it) Dary
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Twin Cities
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Originally Posted by drgonzo
The BLS figures only reflect salary, executive compensation is largely nonsalary.
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11-05-2012, 11:58 PM
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Words and Stuff
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Originally Posted by AlphaNeo36
Point is still the same.
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Hardly
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11-06-2012, 12:00 AM
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Words and Stuff
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Originally Posted by benji25
If you were the one to decide a CEO's compensation how would you choose to compensate them?
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We can choose to pay our ceos much more than our employees and deal with the consequences or we can choose to pay or ceos less and have a stronger economy and less social issues. I'm not going to pick a number. I'm going to say less.
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11-06-2012, 12:03 AM
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The South Will Rise Again
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Hillbilly Heaven
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Quote:
Originally Posted by benji25
If you were the one to decide a CEO's compensation how would you choose to compensate them?
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I'd implement the Fair tax and let them keep their money.
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