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Old 05-08-2007, 11:35 PM #1
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Another stab at paintball

(i dunno what happend to this in the other forum, if this was deleted for areason, then delete it again plz)

The federal government charged five alleged Islamic radicals with plotting to kill U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix in New Jersey.

A sixth was charged with aiding and abetting the illegal possession of firearms by three of the others.

"The philosophy that supports and encourages jihad around the world against Americans came to live here in New Jersey and threaten the lives of our citizens through these defendants," New Jersey U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie said at a news conference Tuesday. (Watch Christie describe the alleged would-be terrorists )

The men were arrested Monday night and heard the charges against them Tuesday in federal court. They will be held without bond pending a hearing Friday, according to Michael Drewniak, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of New Jersey.

Christie described Tuesday how the group's plot -- which he said had been in the works since January 2006 -- was foiled.

The case began to take shape in January 2006, when an employee of a store told the FBI someone had brought a "disturbing" video to be duplicated, Christie said.

The video "depicted 10 young men who appeared to be in their early 20s shooting assault weapons at a firing range in a militia-like style while calling for jihad and shouting in Arabic 'Allah Akbar,' " (Arabic for "God is Great"), according to an FBI affidavit filed with the criminal complaints.

The FBI and Joint Terrorism Task Force began an investigation immediately, Christie said.

"Through the amazing efforts of these law enforcement officers, we were able to infiltrate cooperating witnesses into this terrorist cell," Christie said.

Two paid informants infiltrated the group, one in March 2006 and the other in July. Both of them "consensually recorded" meetings and conversations, according to the affidavit, filed by Special Agent John J. Ryan.

One quote from the alleged recordings was defendant Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer saying, "My intent is to hit a heavy concentration of soldiers. ... This is exactly what we are looking for. You hit four, five or six Humvees and light the whole place [up] and retreat completely without any losses."

One of the informants claimed to have connections with an arms dealer who could sell the alleged conspirators AK-47 automatic machine guns and other weapons, according to the affidavit. Both took part in firearms training with the group, the affidavit said.

Men had collection of disturbing videos
Officials said the group had a collection of jihadist videos, including video of the last will and testament of two of the 19 hijackers from the September 11, 2001, attacks and video of Osama bin Laden calling Muslims to jihad.

The men also showed videos to each other of killings of U.S. military personnel around the world, officials said.

"They watched the blowing off of the arm of a United States Marine, and the room burst out into laughter," Christie said.

The men are believed to have been "inspired" by international terrorist groups, but not directly linked to a specific organization, he said.

He said defendant Shain Duka was heard on tape saying, "We can do a lot of damage with seven people. We can do big things."

A law enforcement source told CNN the group played paintball and test fired weapons as part of their training.

"These guys were clearly committed to the task they had set before them," Fran Townsend, the White House's homeland security adviser, told CNN.

Their goal was to figure out how to kill as many American soldiers as possible, Christie said.

The men had surveyed a number of bases but settled on Fort Dix because one of the defendants said he knew the base "like the back of his hand" because he had delivered pizza there, Christie said. (About Fort Dix)

"They were at the point where they wanted to obtain the automatic weapons that would be the final piece in their plan... to create carnage at Fort Dix," Christie said.

"I think it could have been a disaster," he said. "These people were ready for martyrdom."

Men arrested trying to buy weapons
"Today we dodged a bullet. In fact, when you look at the types of weapons this group was trying to purchase, we may have dodged a lot of bullets," Special Agent Jody Weis said.

The six -- three of them brothers -- were arrested Monday night "as two of the defendants were meeting a confidential government witness to purchase three AK-47 automatic machine guns, and four semi-automatic M-16s to be used in an attack they had been planning from at least January 2006," according to a news release from the U.S. Attorney's Office.

Six complaints were filed Tuesday, each naming one of the six as defendant.

The U.S. Attorney's Office said the three brothers involved, all with the last name Duka, were born in the former Yugoslavia and are illegally residing in the United States. It identified them as Eljvir, 23, Shain, 26, and Dritan, 28, and said the three operate businesses known as Qadr Inc., Colonial Roofing and National Roofing.

The other three men charged are Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, 22, of Cherry Hill, New Jersey, a U.S. citizen born in Jordan who is employed as a taxicab driver in Philadelphia; Serdar Tatar, 23, of Philadelphia, born in Turkey, whose last known employment was at a 7-Eleven; and Agron Abdullahu, 24, of Buena Vista Township, born in the former Yugoslavia and employed at a Shop-Rite Supermarket.

Abdullahu is charged only with aiding and abetting the Duka brothers' illegal possession of weapons, which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in federal prison, the attorney's office said.

The complaint said the group conducted firearms training in Gouldsboro, Pennsylvania, in the Pocono Mountains. It also said Shnewer conducted surveillance at several U.S. military sites: Fort Dix and Fort Monmouth in New Jersey, Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, and the U.S. Coast Guard building in Philadelphia.

It said Tatar acquired a map of Fort Dix and distributed it to others.

Christie: We have caught the core of this plot
While authorities are glad to have arrested them, the individuals are "hardly hard-core terrorists," one law enforcement source said.

Another source said that while the allegations are "troubling," they are "not the type that made the hair on the back of your neck stand up."

"We believe we have caught the absolute sole and core of this plot," Christie said.

Fort Dix is used to train members of the Army Reserve and National Guard for missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world.

It was used in 1999 to house ethnic Albanian refugees from Kosovo, according to the Defense Department Web site.

Hopefully this dont drive ppl away from this sport we all love
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Old 05-09-2007, 02:07 AM #2
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Put those guys in jail.
paintball had a small part of it.
I dont think it will drive american government to ban the sport no way
thanks for the update.
is this rather new or like old i havent heard anything about this lol jw bro.
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Old 05-09-2007, 08:41 AM #3
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"A law enforcement source told CNN the group played paintball and test fired weapons as part of their training."

oh yes...b/c paintball is so much like real guns.

not. jezz...ffs

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w/e tho i guess
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Old 05-10-2007, 05:36 PM #4
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easy fix dont make mil-sim paintball equipment anymore then people wont relate paintball to war
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Old 05-10-2007, 06:43 PM #5
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even when they didn't look like real firearms it was associated with war, after all paintball is also known as war games regardless of the type of markers players happen to be using. it's the shooting part they hate and associate with war. Sure mil-sim markers can catch some attention but someone who hates paintball because of the "war" ties hates it regardless of the marker, it shoots other people and that's all that matters to them. It's why you rarely see red paint even at speedball type games. Plus some of the mil-sim markers are used by the military and law enforcement to train and the production of them won't be halted just because of that.
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Old 05-11-2007, 10:13 PM #6
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That means nothing. It played a small part and if anyone read that I doubt it would bother even the biggest anti gun fanatic...
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Old 05-11-2007, 11:14 PM #7
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Its to long =(
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Old 05-16-2007, 06:11 AM #8
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Yea, I don't think that this will hurt the paintball community, and there is no way that the U.S. Government will ban the sport. It is one of the top Xtreme sports in the world. Played in over 50 countrys.

I am personaly striving to get paintball into the Olympics....
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Old 05-16-2007, 09:24 PM #9
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last time i read (last year) it was ranked 3rd, skateboarding 2nd and rollerskating? or roller blading? roller somethin anyway was 1st but both the other sports were losing people and paintball was still going up. I'd love to see it in the olympics, i think we'll see skateboarding in there first before we see paintball though since it has more resemblances to snowboarding than we do to really any other sport in the olympics. PLus skateboarding is still bigger than we are, but maybe one day =)
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