[anarchyamp]

This might be in the wrong place but I am looking for the guy or company that used to make the Tantrum bolt for the bushies. I bought one way back in the day and it broke a few years ago right before I stopped playing. I would like to buy another one or have it repaired. I believe the guy I am looking for is Tank if i'm not mistaken? If someone could put me in contact with him, that would be awesome, thanks

[Forrestball]

Should ask on icd-owners.com I dont know if the guys get on here often.

[maloneoni]

I doubt the guy who makes them still does, but someone might have one.

Nobody609 has nameless bolts for a reasonable price if can't find a tantrum bolt.

[anarchyamp]

Thanks for the info guys

[Nobody609]

in all honesty, i haven't seen another tantrum bolt for sale, or even another one after this. either a stock bolt or a Nameless bolt i can help you with.

[anarchyamp]

Hmm, what about a vapor bolt? Are those any good? Heard they had 3 o rings on them though, is that correct?

[63VDub]

You can't get a Vapor anymore, except used, and those are as rare as hen's teeth. I can tell you, and I don't think Nobody will mind, that the nameless bolts are identical in every way to the old Vapor bolts.

[Nobody609]

Vdub is right, the only difference between my nameless bolts and the VW is, you can actually buy and receive my bolts.

[anarchyamp]

Lol nice, can you show me a pic of the ones you have? Are they delrin and venturi design?

[maloneoni]

[anarchyamp]

That's pretty cool, how did you make them? Looks more or less like my stock bolt but if you could make one with venturi design i'd be sold for sure

[maloneoni]

Nobody didn't make them, he willed them into existence.

I don't think he will be willing another batch into existence anytime soon.

[Nobody609]

venturi bolts are bad. any benefit you gain from the orings you will loose from the restrictive venturi head. though they are modeled after the stock bolt(which isn't a bad bolt, by any means), the material and the orings do garner some improvements.

you don't need a venturi head. the garbage of being more gentler, or even out the force of the air to the ball is malarkey. take ANY venturi bolt and you will loose FPS when compared to the stock bolt when used on the same gun. hell, i'll even take a video of it. i have an old eclipse venturi bolt for one of my guns. say the word, i'll grab some paint, my chrono and i'll show you what the truth is.

[p8ntballer5150]

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[anarchyamp]

So there are no benefits to the venturi design? Not even to more evenly distribute the air around the ball as it's fired?

[krupasjeans]

Yeah, I have no actual proof, but I noticed a heck of an accuracy gain when I upgraded to a Panther VTS from a Montneel Z-1 back in '95.
The Panther has a bolt face design a lot like that Tantrum bolt. The bolt of the Z-1 was just a big hole.
Yes, given there were a lot of variables into play to dictate accuracy. Of course the paint and barrel played a huge factor and I'm sure they weren't the same. But I still hold firmly to the belief that a true 'Venturi' (if that is even a real word) helps accuracy.

Heck, now that I think about it I've noticed a difference in my '98 and '97 Desert Foxes. The '97 has a concave venturi face right at the ball contact and the '98 has one big hole.

I'd do a test and record it with video but someone would need to paypal me $50 to get a case of paint to do it with.


Edit: Anarchy, why can't you just sand down that Tantrum bolt face a bit to prevent ball breakage, remove the o-ring and see if it still works out for you?

[anarchyamp]

Originally Posted by krupasjeans

Yeah, I have no actual proof, but I noticed a heck of an accuracy gain when I upgraded to a Panther VTS from a Montneel Z-1 back in '95.
The Panther has a bolt face design a lot like that Tantrum bolt. The bolt of the Z-1 was just a big hole.
Yes, given there were a lot of variables into play to dictate accuracy. Of course the paint and barrel played a huge factor and I'm sure they weren't the same. But I still hold firmly to the belief that a true 'Venturi' (if that is even a real word) helps accuracy.

Heck, now that I think about it I've noticed a difference in my '98 and '97 Desert Foxes. The '97 has a concave venturi face right at the ball contact and the '98 has one big hole.

I'd do a test and record it with video but someone would need to paypal me $50 to get a case of paint to do it with.


Edit: Anarchy, why can't you just sand down that Tantrum bolt face a bit to prevent ball breakage, remove the o-ring and see if it still works out for you?

Thanks for that info, I like hearing both sides and lol I don't even have $50 for paint right now However I was considering sanding it down/smoothing it out like you said but that was really a last resort and I figure even at that it would never be %100 efficiency as it was before but it probably would work

[anarchyamp]

Originally Posted by Nobody609

Vdub is right, the only difference between my nameless bolts and the VW is, you can actually buy and receive my bolts.

Nobody, how much are you asking for your nameless bolt?

[Nobody609]

venturi bolts are great at removing money out of people's pockets.

but no, they don't really do much. they are restrictive in the air flow to the ball. some guns, some bolts will decrease velocity as much as 20-30FPS. a freer flowing bolt, will allow you to decrease HPR and LPR to gain better efficiency.

as i said, i will gladly vid actual data of the stock bolt, a Eclipse venturi bolt and a Nameless bolt. just to prove the fact.

edit:
nameless bolts are $15 shipped

also, the front oring is not really needed. preventing air from escaping out the back is a good thing. but air exiting from the front where the ball is, doesn't matter all that much.

[anarchyamp]

Ok, I don't need to see a vid, can you do paypal? If so what's your paypal address?