[殉教者]

Originally Posted by slateman

crying at the stupidity of the human race and the realization that what you just read came from "the future generations"

That dude's 37.

[doublenot7]

And far smarter than the likes of you here ::NO dodgy::

[yay4jojo16]

Originally Posted by doublenot7

When Castro eventually dies hopefully the Cuban people will have a transition in government and have a society that enjoys more freedom and prosperity. Then we won't see them risking life and limb crossing the water in mishap boats.

You have stated:
(a) The reason they risk life and limb in the boats is because Castro is so oppressive
and (b) Castro's death will provide the Cubans with opportunities for more prosperity.

If Castro is so oppressive, why not end the embargo? It will take him out of power, because [as I argued earlier] the embargo keeps Castro in power by providing a scapegoat for his hopeless economic policies and continuing domestic repression, portraying him as the target of a U.S. vendetta that is condemned by the rest of the world (yes, 14 consecutive times) and thus enabling him to maintain at least a vestige of his all-important self-portrayal as a defiant warrior against "U.S. imperialism."
You say you want prosperity for the Cuban people, which you say will come to them via Castro's death, but why wait until he croaks?! We can expedite the prosperity by ending the embargo, which has deprived their economy of $67B since the embargo was enacted, according to UN Press Release GA/9654. An end to the embargo will bring American jobs, American trade, and therefore good ol' American prosperity.

[yay4jojo16]

Doublenot07: Why did you attempt to turn this into a partisan issue by attaching the word "liberal" to every single one of your stupid, unfounded assertions? [see: "liberal talking points"]
This is much more an issue of ideologies, specifically pragmatism vs. fundamentalism, or an issue of state vs. federal [Cuban constituency in South Florida vs. what's good for the entire country].
Your inflammatory labels are irrelevant.

[noobkiller123]

Originally Posted by RJR168

Right, we can't concede to a leader who's country was used as a missile base against the US. Explain to me then why we trade with almost every Eastern Bloc country? Why do we trade with the USSR? Why are we trading with almost every country that was used as a missile base? The sanctions have ZERO to do with Cuba being a missile base 40 years ago. Though they may provide a SLIVER of why they were started, but it is even more complex than that.

Go back to my analysis on electoral and economic reasons. It provides a much clearer, realistic reason why the sanctions are kept. Do some research.

hey just so you know about umm lets see 16yrs ago the USSR collapsed and it is now Russia, a democratic nation..thus casues all there satelite nations to set up there own forms of govt. and they no long have the soviet missle technology. but yea. ever hear of the "Cuban Missle Crisis" where for 13 days the world stood still on the brink of nuclear holocaust.

[25bps (Banned)]

Originally Posted by noobkiller123

Russia, a democratic nation.

Except for the fact that the Russian media is controlled by the Kremlin.

[I love Impulses]

Originally Posted by noobkiller123

hey just so you know about umm lets see 16yrs ago the USSR collapsed and it is now Russia, a democratic nation..thus casues all there satelite nations to set up there own forms of govt. and they no long have the soviet missle technology. but yea. ever hear of the "Cuban Missle Crisis" where for 13 days the world stood still on the brink of nuclear holocaust.

Not democratic, more of a republic in the midst of a civil war ruled by corruption and a president who wishes to take the country back to totalitarian ways.

[Furious Ge0rge]

Originally Posted by I love Impulses

Not democratic, more of a republic in the midst of a civil war ruled by corruption and a president who wishes to take the country back to totalitarian ways.

I like you more and more as each day passes.

[doublenot7]

Sorry if you guys find it inflammatory to be called liberals. Be proud of who you are.

[I love Impulses]

Originally Posted by Furious Ge0rge

I like you more and more as each day passes.

Good thing.

Originally Posted by doublenot7

Sorry if you guys find it inflammatory to be called liberals. Be proud of who you are.

No I find it perfectly fine. The liberal PC nazi's are the one's trying to make it inflammatory. Conservatives don't get mad if we call them conservative do they?

[殉教者]

Originally Posted by doublenot7

Sorry if you guys find it inflammatory to be called liberals. Be proud of who you are.

Ok, just answer me this. You DO understand that CONSERVATIVES do NOT LIKE embargoes, correct?

[doublenot7]

Originally Posted by I love Impulses

Conservatives don't get mad if we call them conservative do they?

Nope

[25bps (Banned)]

Only the fake liberals (democrats) get mad. Those of us who adhere to classical liberalism would actually prefer if people were informed enough to label us as such.

[doublenot7]

Originally Posted by 殉教者

Ok, just answer me this. You DO understand that CONSERVATIVES do NOT LIKE embargoes, correct?That is not an absolute statement.

You DO understand CONSERVATIVES do NOT LIKE communist countries that point nuclear missiles at them, correct?

[殉教者]

You DO understand that those were SOVIET nuclear missiles pointed at us OVER 40 YEARS AGO, Cuba and their communist system is not a threat to us now, hasn't been since they've been faring without Soviet assistance for the past 17 years, and probably hasn't been before that too, correct?

[yay4jojo16]

To reinforce Martyr's point, I give you this quote:
A 1998 U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency report concluded that, "Cuba does not pose a significant military threat to the U.S. or to other countries in the region."

[25bps (Banned)]

Originally Posted by yay4jojo16

To reinforce Martyr's point, I give you this quote:
A 1998 U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency report concluded that, "Cuba does not pose a significant military threat to the U.S. or to other countries in the region."

Who was President in 1998?

Clinton. And he was a well known communist.

[殉教者]

[yay4jojo16]

Doublenot: you stated "CONSERVATIVES do NOT LIKE communist countries that point nuclear missiles at them, correct?"

Given my quote (a few posts up), don't you think this argument is moot?

[p8ntballtroll]

Ok heres how it goes, the embargo stays in place until castro dies. Then political subgroups in america (CANF) lobby for us intervention to keep fidels brother out of power. After this happens the CANF and other groups bring US buisness to Cuba in the interest of rebuilding the economy, bringing capitallism, establishing a democratic government, and of course money.

[殉教者]

What do you mean exactly by "intervene?"