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12-05-2012, 03:14 PM
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Why wouldn't it have been legal with reduced magazine capacity? It's no more deadly than any other gun allowed by the AWB.
Also I don't like your endorsement of knee-jerk policy creation.
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12-05-2012, 03:27 PM
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Why wouldn't it have been legal with reduced magazine capacity? It's no more deadly than any other gun allowed by the AWB.
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You just said the AWB banned guns NOT based on their deadliness. So why do you now make an argument based on its deadliness? This is the logical error I have pointed out several times now.
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Also I don't like your endorsement of knee-jerk policy creation.
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Did absolutely nothing of the sort. Once you understand that, and go back and read my posts without that bias, you will find they are all accurate and consistent.
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12-05-2012, 03:34 PM
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You just said the AWB banned guns NOT based on their deadliness. So why do you now make an argument based on its deadliness? This is the logical error I have pointed out several times now.
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Then you're committing the same logical error.
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Well as previously mentioned, the magazines did violate the capacity limits of the AWB (which, not coincidentally, was a criterion for its purchase by Nidal).
However obviously if the gun itself was in direct violation of the AWB, I would not need to be making the case that it would have been the subject of additional legislation or executive order subsequent to the Fort Hood shootings. So perhaps you misunderstood what I said. Implicit in what I said is that it was NOT covered by the AWB, but would have gotten an immediate, jaundiced look in the aftermath.
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Did absolutely nothing of the sort. Once you understand that, and go back and read my posts without that bias, you will find they are all accurate and consistent.
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Reread your post, it's certainly knee-jerk.
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12-05-2012, 03:35 PM
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Yes, the parameter set by the original post by Tafari I responded to when discussing topic, that the AWB still existed. He claimed with certainty the Five-Seven would have been legal, I suspect there's a good chance it would not have been, and come to think of it may have never been sold on the civilian market here.
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The pistol would have had to have been banned by name specifically, as the rest of the legislation does not prohibit it from being sold. Even then, it was common practice for manufacturer to make minor changes to various firearms, change the names, and continue selling them. Either way, I don't think it would have been very likely for the pistol to have been prohibited.
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12-05-2012, 06:29 PM
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Then you're committing the same logical error.
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How so? I am not citing the weapon's deadliness but rather the kind of considerations AWB proponents would likely tout during a campaign to get a specific weapon banned. A design for a large capacity of armor-piercing ammunition is practically screaming out for this type of control.
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Reread your post, it's certainly knee-jerk.
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Not possible, as I did not endorse anything. If you see an endorsement in there, it's your own bias showing.
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12-05-2012, 08:28 PM
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why is this even a discussion? Who the hell cares if they would have banned the damn thing, it's not like its the only lethal handgun on the market.
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12-05-2012, 08:38 PM
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why is this even a discussion? Who the hell cares if they would have banned the damn thing, it's not like its the only lethal handgun on the market.
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Apparently, people who feel the need to try to attack completely true statements by bringing up assault weapons.
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12-05-2012, 08:42 PM
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what was the true statement again?
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12-05-2012, 10:14 PM
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12-06-2012, 03:59 AM
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Which actually has an answer:
Legislation banning bows and arrows will never happen.
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It doesn't say exactly that, because "never" is unprovable.
I pretty much ended the thread right there, everything after that has been gun babble.
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12-07-2012, 11:08 AM
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12-07-2012, 11:19 AM
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sucks for him but it looks like an honest mistake
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12-07-2012, 11:25 AM
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Importance being he is a major gun grabber, and he gets nabbed for attempting to bring a firearm onboard a plane.
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12-07-2012, 12:08 PM
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Importance being he is a major gun grabber, and he gets nabbed for attempting to bring a firearm onboard a plane.
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Not just a gun grabber, but was against concealed carry. Yet, there he is, carrying concealed. It's okay for HIM to carry, just not everyday citizens. He's special.
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12-07-2012, 01:24 PM
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Not just a gun grabber, but was against concealed carry. Yet, there he is, carrying concealed. It's okay for HIM to carry, just not everyday citizens. He's special.
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He's employed as a security guard and licensed to carry as part of his job. So yeah, he kind of is special. Nothing AT ALL inconsistent with his views and as a security professional it makes a lot of sense that he would oppose general concealed carry. He actually has a higher stake in it than random citizens, since he actually deals directly with the issue of whether a person is armed or not as part of his job.
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12-07-2012, 03:22 PM
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What? He is irresponsible with his firearms, it is even worse because of his occupation. This guy should be laughed out of any venue he speaks in.
Also, what security guard Carries a .25 caliber pistol?
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12-07-2012, 04:40 PM
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His responsibility with firearms and the caliber of the ones he owns are contextually irrelevant.
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12-07-2012, 04:43 PM
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His responsibility with fire arms, while having a concealed carry permit and being very loud about how people should not have concealed carry permits is very relevant.
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12-07-2012, 04:51 PM
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His responsibility with fire arms, while having a concealed carry permit and being very loud about how people should not have concealed carry permits is very relevant.
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Objectively not to the post you are responding to, or to the post that is a response to.
Subjectively it's not really relevant either, it's only relevant as a general bludgeon, but says nothing either way about his view on CCW for common citizens.
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12-09-2012, 02:07 AM
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He's employed as a security guard and licensed to carry as part of his job. So yeah, he kind of is special..
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I have a hard time believing a .25 cal (which would be an ultra compact) in a garment bag has ANYTHING to do with his guard job, and it was likely that it was carried as a "normal" CCW weapon for his own protection.
and seriously.....who the hell still uses a .25 anymore?
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